I would hate to see "a separate list for practicing teachers to discuss ways we teach grammar" although I understand that we professor sorts could join. We need a site that welcomes both the more theoretical and college-level threads and the practical and K-12 threads. One of the reasons the state of grammar teaching is as it is is that too often those of us who teach grammar to the teacher trainees have little contact with the world they are going to teach in. While there are things that we can offer to "practical teachers", there's a lot that the teachers can offer us too. I found, for example, the problem that started this thread an important and puzzling one: how do we teach punctuation when the structures we have to teach in order to teach punctuation seem opaque to the students. I'd hate to see this discussion carried on on another site than this one. Herb Stahlke <<< [log in to unmask] 12/10 8:35p >>> Brock, I'm not sure you meant for this to go to the immediate world, but it apparently did. Anyway, Gretchen and I, among others, had discussed the possibility of a separate list for practicing teachers to discuss ways we teach grammar. I think the practical approach is waht we need. The theoretical perspectives often discussed on the list are interesting, but not very helpful. Caroline To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/