Brock, I'm not sure you meant for this to go to the immediate world, but it apparently did. Anyway, Gretchen and I, among others, had discussed the possibility of a separate list for practicing teachers to discuss ways we teach grammar. I think the practical approach is waht we need. The theoretical perspectives often discussed on the list are interesting, but not very helpful. Caroline To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/