One approach is to go to listservs that the target audience uses and post invitations to join ATEG and the ATEG listserv. An example would be NCTE-Talk. I'll bet that several members of ATEG are already on NCTE-talk. Bill >I think Jeff has brought up a very important question: How do we recruit >elementary school teachers into ATEG? If we are going to achieve our most >often stated goals, we really need to bring up the rear, so to speak (this >isn't a value judgement ... I couldn't find a more accurate metaphor). I >think we also need to bring in K-12 Language Arts coordinators and other >power-brokering administrators in order to get the ball rolling. > >Let's brainstorm some ideas. > >Paul E. Doniger >The Gilbert School > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Glauner, Jeff <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:44 PM >Subject: Re: A Blow for Grammar > > >> Maureen, >> >> You're on the right track now. We need to develop our pedagogical grammar >> using the best parts of contemporary learning theory (including multiple >> intelligences). That's one reason I want us to try to recruit elementary >> teachers to ATEG. They study pedagogy. They can shed light on why >grammar >> teaching doesn't stick. We know it would be good for every student to >have >> a grasp on the metalanguage of grammar. Elementary teachers, whose job it >> is to covey this metalanguage to children, might be able to help us find >out >> how to do it. So how do we recruit them? >> >> Jeff Glauner >> Associate Professor of English >> Park University, Box 1303 >> 8700 River Park Drive >> Parkville MO 64152 >> [log in to unmask] >> http://www.park.edu/jglauner/index.htm >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Maureen Fitzpatrick [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:28 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: A Blow for Grammar >> >> >> Is there any room in this discussion for the concepts of multiple >> intelligences, or is that something people would rather not get into? >Isn't >> it possible that for students with a strong logical-mathematical >> intelligence, the patterns and form or grammar make a wonderful amount of >> sense? Or that teachers who have an intuitive intelligence for spatial >> relations might teach things like sentence trees more effectively? In >short, >> I don't think it is the subject but the relationship between one teacher's >> take on language and the learning styles of the twenty-five people in the >> class. >> >> It seems like we have spent the better part of two decades recognizing >that >> different people learn and teach differently, but many people still want >to >> rush in to one-size-fits-all education. Of course grammar instruction >won't >> help a lot of students. Of course it will help a lot of students. But what >> would probably help most is teaching matters of style (whether it be >> subject-verb agreement or reducing wordiness) in a variety of ways rather >> than just tossing a book to students and assuming they will absorb the >> information they failed to absorb the first five times it was introduced >to >> them. >> >> The thing about this discussion that interests me is that it really seems >> like preaching to the choir - there isn't going to be a soul on the >Assembly >> for the Teaching of English Grammar list who doesn't think teaching >grammar >> is important. The question facing most of us is how to do it effectively >for >> the largest number of students - particularly those for whom traditional >> instruction has failed so far. >> >> Maureen Fitzpatrick >> Associate Professor, English >> Johnson County Community College >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface >at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> > >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >and select "Join or leave the list" > >Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ William J. McCleary 3247 Bronson Hill Road Livonia, NY 14487 716-346-6859 To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/