Gretchen's question: >>>For example, my focus this month in writing workshop has been commas. I keep >finding, however, that my sixth graders can't recognize some of the >structures that require commas in their own writing. The difference between >two independent clauses (however you define them!) joined by a conjunction >and a sentence with a compound verb seems to be as big a mystery as it was >before we started. <<< For complex compounds, I've found that an extremely simplified form of diagramming works. While I generally am not fond of diagramming, I've found that representing compounds visually can make a big difference. Mark --- John --- went to the store (and) I --- ------ brushed her teeth, Mary ---- put on her pajamas ------- (and) went to bed. I can't do a very good job of portraying this here, but showing how three subjects can be connected to one predicate, or how three predicates can be connected to one subject, using lines, and also pointing out how three separate sentences could be made from the one, can help kids to understand the relationships work. As they begin to work with more complicated compounds, the same kinds of visually shown relationships can help them understand what they are doing. This visual technique can also help them understand why "me" doesn't work in the top sentence (or why "I" is incorrect as a compound object), and can also help them to do a better job of coordinating verb forms in compound subjects. I usually connect this activity with sentence imitation -- before they imitate, I show them how the compound parts work together, and how they can be broken down. It could also be combined with sentence combination, as well as decombination (provide a compound sentence, and instruct them to break it down into the simple sentences.) Working these activities around the same sentence types should help them work out these relationships. >>>>>Should I be "doing" sentence patterns? How does one do that within the >context of their writing? While I'm all for working within the context of their writing, not everything has to be done this way. I'm actually more likely to use sentences from their reading, but I adapt the sentences to fit what I'm trying to show. Most likely, to simplify it in such a way that it looks close, but leaves out parts if the sentence is too complex, connects several sentences if I am trying to work with compounds, or whatever it takes to focus attention on the part I am focusing on. (But then, I'm really into the whole idea of using sentence sense as an aid to reading comprehension, as much as to improve writing.) Speaking of Beowulf, have you ever read Michael Creighton's book (I think it was called _Eaters of the Dead_, or something like that?) It puts a really interesting twist on the Beowulf story -- and if I ever teach Beowulf, I think I will connect these two. Susan To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/