I think there's a general paranoia about misusing "me" for "I", so people tend to overcompensate and say "you and I" no matter what the case. But in reality, (1) You and I went to the ballgame. But... (2) Barry Bonds gave the autographed baseball to you and me. Also, a really funny thing to say (because not many people say it correctly): "Are these the papers you need me to grade?" "Yes, these are they." Peace, Ben > ---------- > From: Bob Yates > Reply To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:02 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: A Basic Question! > > Jeff Glauner gave a good explanation to the question, but I want to > suggest how > Jennifer > can be more certain about her "feeling." > > "Rabinowitz, Jennifer" wrote: > > Would you say "There's nothing between you and me" or "There's > nothing > > between you and I." I think that it should be "you and me," but > I've always > > been lousy at grammar and so my sinking, defeatist feeling is that > I'm > > wrong, wrong, wrong. > > English has a distinction between subject pronouns and object > pronouns. > > Subject pronouns: I, you, he, she, it, we, they > Object pronouns: me, you, him, her, it, us, them. > > The problem is that in conversation many dialects of English allow > (1) > > 1) Him and me went to the movies. > > This is non-standard so we are taught that is it is always > > 2) He and I went to the movies. > > Corrections like (2) make us think that him and me or you and me is > never right. > We need a way > to figure when the object pronouns are correct. I think in ALL > dialects of > American English there is know important non-standard use of we and > us. This is > relevant for confirming a "feeling." > > Would you say (3) or (4)? > > 3) between we > 4) between us > > Because the answer is "us," then the pronouns which are objects of > between must be > object pronouns. > > Try this test the next time you have a question about which pronoun > case in > English. > > Bob Yates > > PS. I am aware of the problem with whether one SHOULD say "it is we" > or "it is > us." a > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html > and select "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/