Writers' Choices: Grammar to Improve Style from Michael Kischner and Edith Wollin is finally out from Harcourt if you want to order an examination copy to see if it interests you. We are hopeful that it can be part of a composition course, but acknowledge that the two together are a lot a work for those in quarter systems. We are believers in rhetorical grammar, come to independently from Martha, thus proving that it is an idea whose time has come! And we use sentence combining along with students' own composing. Edith Wollin -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca S. Wheeler [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: burn your grammar books I used Klammer's Analyzing English Grammar for 1 year, and no more. I found that the degree of detail he went into was way way more than what the students could handle, and was way beyond what I wanted to focus on. Furthermore, there weren't enough exercises to suit my taste. As many on this listserve know, my preference is for Morenberg's DOING GRAMMAR, which will soon be in the third edition, I hear. So, I'm returning to DOING GRAMMAR this year (next week), in both my advanced grammar classes. I will try blending that with his "Writer's Options" as a way to apply some of the more complex clause structures to writing. His focus on basic structural analysis of the sentence into the 6 types of verb types (and hence sentence structure types) is VERY accessible, with clear mnemonics. Cheers, Rebecca Christine Gray wrote: > Has anyone on the list used Thomas Klammer's Analyzing English Grammar?? > > I've been using it for about six years. One aspect of it I prefer over > Kolln's is that it has examples of diagramming using both tree and > Reed-Kellogg diagrams. > > And, Ed, I agree with you! It is so difficult to find actual grammar > books. Most books seem to be either handbooks/refereence books or > designed for developmental students. > > Christine Gray ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rebecca S. Wheeler, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Linguistics Department of English 1 University Place Christopher Newport University Newport News, VA 23606-2998 Telephone: 757-598-8891 Fax: 757-594-8870 Rebecca S. Wheeler is Editor of Syntax in the Schools, the quarterly journal of the Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar (ATEG), an assembly of the National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE). www.ateg.org. Research Interests: * dialects and language varieties in the schools, * reducing the achievement gap between inner city minority children and middle class children, * discovery learning of grammar in the classroom ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/