I contacted my local Harcourt rep for an examination copy of Edith Wollin's book. Christine Gray Suzanne S Webb wrote: > > er, the main Harcourt page referred to below is not displaying. Harcourt's > college text section has been bought by International Thompson (formerly > Wadsworth), and there is currently lots of confusion. I've got a couple of > books with Harcourt and I got a letter from them saying that sales, > editorial, and marketing will be handled by Heinle and Heinle based in > Boston. If you call the Harcourt 800 number, you may be able to get someone > who can help. You could also try www.hbcollege.com which is a Thompson site. > Suzanne Webb > Texas Woman's University > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wollin, Edith" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: choosing books (was "burn your grammar books") > > > Here is the web address (unless it is now fixed, they have the title wrong > > and only Michael shows as author!); however, I don't know the exam copy > > address; you should have a Harcourt rep in your area that will get it for > > you. Here is the ISBN # too:0-15-506374-X > > > http://main.harcourtcollege.com/catalog/course.jhtml?sdid=english___communic > > ation___journalism&did=020&cid=EN20 > > > > Edith Wollin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christine Gray [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:34 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: choosing books (was "burn your grammar books") > > > > > > I went to the Oxford UP web site and requested an examination copy of > > "Doing Grammar." Thank you, Rebecca, for mentioning it. > > > > I am new to this list and several titles that have been mentioned are > > new to me. I mentioned Klammer in a recent message. > > > > I glommed onto his book because it was the only one I could find that > > was not prescriptive, did not water down the material, was not written > > as though students were idiots, and had/has Reed-Kellogg and tree > > diagramming throughout. > > > > Edith, I tried to locate the Harcourt web site to request an exam. copy > > of your book but was not successful. Would you post the Harcourt address > > for ordering exam copy of "Writers Choices." > > > > > > Wollin, Edith wrote: > > > > > > Writers' Choices: Grammar to Improve Style from Michael Kischner and > Edith > > > Wollin is finally out from Harcourt if you want to order an examination > > copy > > > to see if it interests you. We are hopeful that it can be part of a > > > composition course, but acknowledge that the two together are a lot a > work > > > for those in quarter systems. We are believers in rhetorical grammar, > come > > > to independently from Martha, thus proving that it is an idea whose time > > has > > > come! And we use sentence combining along with students' own composing. > > > Edith Wollin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rebecca S. Wheeler [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:51 PM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: burn your grammar books > > > > > > I used Klammer's Analyzing English Grammar for 1 year, and no more. I > > found > > > that the > > > degree of detail he went into was way way more than what the students > > could > > > handle, > > > and was way beyond what I wanted to focus on. Furthermore, there weren't > > > enough > > > exercises to suit my taste. > > > > > > As many on this listserve know, my preference is for Morenberg's DOING > > > GRAMMAR, > > > which will soon be in the third edition, I hear. So, I'm returning to > > DOING > > > GRAMMAR > > > this year (next week), in both my advanced grammar classes. I will try > > > blending that > > > with his "Writer's Options" as a way to apply some of the more complex > > > clause > > > structures to writing. > > > > > > His focus on basic structural analysis of the sentence into the 6 types > > of > > > verb > > > types (and hence sentence structure types) is VERY accessible, with > clear > > > mnemonics. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > Christine Gray wrote: > > > > > > > Has anyone on the list used Thomas Klammer's Analyzing English > Grammar?? > > > > > > > > I've been using it for about six years. One aspect of it I prefer > over > > > > Kolln's is that it has examples of diagramming using both tree and > > > > Reed-Kellogg diagrams. > > > > > > > > And, Ed, I agree with you! It is so difficult to find actual grammar > > > > books. Most books seem to be either handbooks/refereence books or > > > > designed for developmental students. > > > > > > > > Christine Gray > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > > Rebecca S. Wheeler, Ph.D. > > > Assistant Professor of Linguistics > > > Department of English > > > 1 University Place > > > Christopher Newport University > > > Newport News, VA 23606-2998 > > > > > > Telephone: 757-598-8891 > > > Fax: 757-594-8870 > > > > > > Rebecca S. 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