Cheryl, I like the games you suggest for making this (or any subject) interesting, but don't they imply that interest needs to be imported artificially? If grammar is the meaning making system of the language and language is what makes us inherently human, what subject could be of greater depth or importance? Perhaps he (and the book) create the impression that it's someone else's language they are talking about. Bringing the students' own internal grammar to light is an inherently interactive process. I'm horrified, too, but less patient than you are. If you don't love the subject, stop doing harm. Don't teach it. To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/