Ed, I've never gotten in a discussion of my own work, since I consider it unprofessional to talk about yourself. But I just looked back over that 1994 article, and I think you misrepresented it. The article was about a series of studies I asked several graduate students to do in my grammar class, because I wasn't happy with how well the students were learning grammar and what they thought about the class. I used those reports (that I commissioned) to change a number of things in class-my use of peer groups, the pace that the material was presented, certain texts I was using, as well as the division of the course into two sections-ten weeks on grammar and five weeks on Hunt/Christensen/Loban studies. So I don't think it's quite fair to say, I found this interesting, especially since Professor Morenberg wrote an article for Syntax in 1994 (Volume 11, No.2) in which he questioned the effectiveness of his own teaching of his own course . . . . at least not without going on to say, So he did something about it. He had outside observers sit in on his class, talk to his students, and suggest changes in his syllabus and procedures. My own sense is that's what concerned teachers do when they perceive there are issues they haven't handled well. I was, in that article, forthcoming with the problems as well as the changes I made and how I found answers-often to questions I had not asked. I did question the effectiveness of my class. But I did something about it. Seven years ago. I even did a presentation at 4Cs (in Nashville) on the subject, with two of the graduate students and several undergraduate students from the class, who talked about the changes in the course and how their input was listened to. Now I'm out of the discussion again. I don't care to argue this issue. I'm going back to proofreading the third edition of my text and preparing Monday's lesson for my new, improved grammar course (reshaped several times since 1994 because I'm always looking for ways to improve how I teach grammar). Back into silence, Max -- Max Morenberg, Professor Department of English Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 513-529-2520 To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/