While I certainly agree that what happened on Tuesday is an unforgivable offense against all humankind, I would hope that people would avoid ideological pronouncements on this list along the lines of Marxists being 'the enemy within'. There is sure to be a wide spectrum of viewpoints on this list, including some who do not choose to see only the positive side of US policy. I especially do not appreciate having groups or individuals singled out and being told that it is time to "shut up". That is not respectful, and is hardly in line with free speech and freedom from intimidation. It borders on flaming. I do not intend with this remark to start an ideological debate. There are plenty of venues on the Internet for ideological debate, or individuals can duke it out off-list. Let's reserve this list for grammar disputes and ideology that relates directly to grammar education. I appreciate expressions of sadness such as Martha's, but let's stay out of specific ideological debates. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Johanna Rubba Associate Professor, Linguistics English Department, California Polytechnic State University One Grand Avenue • San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 Tel. (805)-756-2184 • Fax: (805)-756-6374 • Dept. Phone. 756-2596 • E-mail: [log in to unmask] • Home page: http://www.cla.calpoly.edu/~jrubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/