Hi, Dawn: Thanks for responding. -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dawn Burnette Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:36 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: a small case explanation I would explain it exactly how you did. :) Dawn Bob Brannan wrote: To One and All:I would appreciate some input on a question posed by one of my students. What would be a simple explanation for the pronoun case of "him" in the following sentence:"Everyone but him will be at the game."My response was to treat the word "but" as an idiomatic form of "except for" and then to treat "him" as an object of the preposition. Any thoughts on this?Thanks in advance,Bob Brannan -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [ mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]On Behalf Of Wollin, Edith Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:28 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: MIMC? The British and Canadians seem to have different rules for run-on sentences, semi-colons, etc. than we do. I've noticed it reading Margaret Atwood too---makes clear that we are dealing with conventions of the written form of the language. Edith Wo0llin -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Despain [ mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:37 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: MIMC? No objection from me. In response to March exercises: I found it quite interesting that the Harry Potter series is beset with numerous run-on sentences. I noticed it particularly in the "Order of the Phoenix." Many of the sentences still had "evidence" of being run-on before the editor got to them usually inserting semicolons. I can't put my finger on what it is that counts as evidence, though. It seems that the whole idea of "run-on-ness" is based on the author being true to (or deceived by) the colloquial speech form. I believe this is what Herb was getting at. I also wonder at what the author's (editor's) idea was of using single quotes for double quotes (and vice versa). Was this somehow in the category of saving ink to save the environment? Is this a British practice? Bruce >>> [log in to unmask] 2/26/2004 11:52:03 AM >>> I appreciate the responses to this question thus far, and I would like to know if there would be any objections to my listing the responses in this thread in a web document that introduces the work for March of Grade Eight. (That is where the MIMC exercises will be concentrated.) Thanks, Ed >>> [log in to unmask] 02/25/04 01:29PM >>> I know that there are members of this list who do not believe that the main idea in a sentence is generally located in the main clause (MIMC), but there are also members of this list who do believe so. My question is for the latter, and it is not a trick question. Some people I am working with have been trying to develop exercises similar to the "Alicia" passage that Wanda Van Goor presented at an ATEG conference. See: http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/kiss/wb/G08/Mar/index.htm <http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/kiss/wb/G08/Mar/index.htm> These exercises are not easy to create, and the question has arisen - Does a conjunctive adverb have the same subordinating effect as a subordinate conjunction. MIMCer's would probably say that in a sentence such as Although we were late, we wanted to go to the ball game. the main idea is "we wanted to go to the ball game," because the "although" subordinates the "we were late." The KISS psycholinguistic model supports this in that the subordinate clause is, theoretically, held in working memory and chunked to the main clause. But is the same effect achieved in We wanted to go to the ball game; however, we were late. 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