Christine:
Thanks for getting back to me on this.
Bob
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Christine Gray
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:45 PM
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Subject: Re: a small case explanation
Bob, your thoughts are the same as mine: but as a preposition meaning
"except for."
Christine in Baltimore
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:19 PM
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Subject: Re: a small case explanation
To One and All:
I would appreciate some input on a question posed by one of my students.
What would be a simple explanation for the pronoun case of "him" in the
following sentence:
"Everyone but him will be at the game."
My response was to treat the word "but" as an idiomatic form of "except for"
and then to treat "him" as an object of the preposition. Any thoughts on
this?
Thanks in advance,
Bob Brannan
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Wollin, Edith
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:28 PM
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Subject: Re: MIMC?
The British and Canadians seem to have different rules for run-on sentences,
semi-colons, etc. than we do. I've noticed it reading Margaret Atwood
too---makes clear that we are dealing with conventions of the written form
of the language.
Edith Wo0llin
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From: Bruce Despain [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: MIMC?
No objection from me.
In response to March exercises: I found it quite interesting that the Harry
Potter series is beset with numerous run-on sentences. I noticed it
particularly in the "Order of the Phoenix." Many of the sentences still had
"evidence" of being run-on before the editor got to them usually inserting
semicolons. I can't put my finger on what it is that counts as evidence,
though. It seems that the whole idea of "run-on-ness" is based on the
author being true to (or deceived by) the colloquial speech form. I believe
this is what Herb was getting at.
I also wonder at what the author's (editor's) idea was of using single
quotes for double quotes (and vice versa). Was this somehow in the category
of saving ink to save the environment? Is this a British practice?
Bruce
>>> [log in to unmask] 2/26/2004 11:52:03 AM >>>
I appreciate the responses to this question thus far, and I would like to
know if there would be any objections to my listing the responses in this
thread in a web document that introduces the work for March of Grade Eight.
(That is where the MIMC exercises will be concentrated.)
Thanks,
Ed
>>> [log in to unmask] 02/25/04 01:29PM >>>
I know that there are members of this list who do not believe that the
main idea in a sentence is generally located in the main clause (MIMC), but
there are also members of this list who do believe so. My question is for
the latter, and it is not a trick question.
Some people I am working with have been trying to develop exercises
similar to the "Alicia" passage that Wanda Van Goor presented at an ATEG
conference. See:
http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/kiss/wb/G08/Mar/index.htm
<http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/kiss/wb/G08/Mar/index.htm>
These exercises are not easy to create, and the question has arisen - Does a
conjunctive adverb have the same subordinating effect as a subordinate
conjunction. MIMCer's would probably say that in a sentence such as
Although we were late, we wanted to go to the ball game.
the main idea is "we wanted to go to the ball game," because the "although"
subordinates the "we were late." The KISS psycholinguistic model supports
this in that the subordinate clause is, theoretically, held in working
memory and chunked to the main clause.
But is the same effect achieved in
We wanted to go to the ball game; however, we were late.
Thanks,
Ed
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