It doesn't have to introduce things that restate the sentence to be a sentence-level modifier. Although "for example" and "such as" can be used for similar functions, their structure is different. "For example" is a discrete constituent. Unlike "such as" It does not contain the phrase (or clause) that it introduces, and for that reason requires a comma. Notice also that you can shift around the position of "for example" in a way that you cannot do with "such as" for example, his hangover his hangover, for example such as his hangover *his hangover such as I would treat "for example" as equivalent to other discourse adverbials like "in conclusion," "however," etc. Karl Hagen Department of English Mount St. Mary's College Odile Sullivan-Tarazi wrote: > But doesn't "for example" generally -- or at least, as often -- > introduce examples of some one thing (noun or action or whatever) in > the sentence, rather than examples that restate the entire sentence? > > In those cases, the examples must also be subsumed into the overall > structure of the sentence in some way. The nearest I could get was > to consider them elements in apposition. Bruce has suggested that > our "for example, x, y, and z" is an abbreviated version of a full > clause: (which are), for example, x, y, and z. > > I'll leave it to him to explicate more thoroughly. I like this > approach, though. Makes sense to me. > > > Odile > > > > At 9:53 AM -0700 8/3/04, Kathleen M. Ward wrote: > >> I am not sure about this, because I don't use R-K diagrams often, but >> would not "For example" usually a sentence-level modifier? And isn't >> an inability to distinguish sentence-level modifiers a real >> limitation of the R-K system? >> >> KMW >> >>> I considered that, but it just shifted the question for me. How >>> would you represent "for example" and the examples that follow it on >>> a Reed-Kellog diagram? I wasn't sure how to set it up and where to >>> attach it. >>> >>> >>> Odile >>> >>> >>> At 4:52 PM -0500 8/2/04, Kurt Steinbach wrote: >>> >>>> "Such as" is often used to replace the phrase, "For example, " in >>>> sentences and clauses. >>>> >>>> Odile Sullivan-Tarazi wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will probably kick myself in the morning, but somehow tonight I can >>>>> not seem to think. How does the phrase "such as," used to introduce >>>>> a list of examples, function in the sentence? How would it be >>>>> diagrammed? >>>>> >>>>> If anyone could enlighten me, I'd be ever so grateful. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks . . . >>>>> >>>>> Odile >>>>> >>> >>> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >>> interface at: >>> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >>> and select "Join or leave the list" >>> >>> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interface at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html > and select "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/