Re: appositive vs relative clause
Beth,

I would add to Bruce's description of the two "that"s:  In the relative clause, "that" has a slot to fill in the clause itself--that of subject (and this is always true of the relative pronouns and relative adverbs that introduce adjectival clauses: pronouns fill a nominal slot or, in the case of the possessive "whose," a determiner slot; relative adverbs function as an adverbial in the clause);  in the nominal clause, "that" serves only as an introducer, a nominalizer, with no function in the clause itself.   Students who have learned traditional diagramming can picture the nominalizer "that" hovering over the clause, like an outsider; they can picture the relative pronoun firmly settled on or attached to the clause's main line.

I call the relative-clause "that" a relative pronoun (I've learned only recently that this term is debatable); I call the nominalizer "that" an expletive, as many traditional grammarians do.

Martha





Beth,
 
I would like to mention how I approach this with my students.  This may help, though you seem to reach the same point another way.
 
One function of an adjective is to identify the reference of a noun.  The noun also can serve to help identify the reference of another noun.  This is the appositive.  By the same token the noun clause and the adjective clause can both have an identifying function.  There are a good number of particular nouns that need further identification, and the noun clause is naturally used with them: fact, claim, rumor, statement, decision, idea, etc.  These all denote concepts which are potentially worded as sentences.  In such cases it is possible to express (redundantly) both functions (identifying adjective/statement) by repeating the connective "that."  Hence, "They espoused the belief that is that God exists" has two connectives.  The first "that" is the connective of an adjective clause (relative, pointing to "belief") and the second is the connective of the noun clause.  If you can build this redundant construction logically, then you have the appositive. 
Bruce

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Thanks, everyone.  The "which" test does work on sentence 1, but not
sentence 2.  Maybe we idiomatically prefer "the fact that . . . " or
maybe I should have agreed that sentence 2 was an appositive?  I can see
that it's definitely an appositive in the sentence "That fact, that they
didn't like chocolate, surprised her"--but that's not the same
sentence.

Ultimately, I guess it doesn't matter that much.  These sentences won't
appear on any test--the students wrote the sentences for a different
activity.  I can just agree that sometimes it's really hard to tell what
a clause is doing, just like it's sometimes really hard to tell what a
prepositional phrase is doing, and leave it at that.

Thanks,

Beth

>Here are a couple of example sentences with the suspected appositives
>in brackets:
>
>1. The book, [that was titled 'Great Expectations',] was a classic.
>
>2. The fact [that they didn't like chocolate] surprised her.






Beth Rapp Young
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University of Central Florida
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