Johanna asked me to forward this.  I'll respond in a another post.

Craig

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Subject: Re: See spot run
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:04:48 -0800
From: Johanna Rubba <[log in to unmask]>
To: Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]>
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Craig,

I hate continuing to ask people to post for me, but I haven't resolved 
the e-mail issue yet.

As to "See Spot run", this construction isn't limited to intransitive 
verbs, as your "I saw the young lady steal the watch". And I think the 
main argument for seeing these as object complements is the case 
marking on the subject of the infinitive verb: "I saw _her_ steal the 
watch." These were analyzed as subject-raising constructions in 
transformational grammar -- the tension between the subject role of the 
"her" and its object role causes the problem and the variation in 
analytical approaches.

Regarding causatives vs. perception verbs, English regularly treats 
perception verbs as transitives, if not causatives, so I don't think 
it's odd to find them in these constructions. As to your process 
argument, the lack of either tense or aspect marking on the verb works 
against it; this kind of marking serves exactly the purpose of not 
imposing a particular tense/aspect reading.

Dr. Johanna Rubba, Associate Professor, Linguistics
Linguistics Minor Advisor
English Department
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
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URL: http://www.cla.calpoly.edu/~jrubba


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