As everyone here is aware, the NCTE 1985 Position Statement about teaching grammar advocates against it to the detrimant of all language training native or foreign. While it seems to couch its criticism in the form of the supposed lack of benefit that grammar study has on writing alone, it seems to presuppose that there would be no other sufficiently useful reason for teaching grammar. The position thereby has the effect of shutting down all grammar teaching. It strikes me that of all the groups that exist in academe today, the one most appropriate to address this embarassment to American education is ATEG. Is there currently a working group within ATEG which specifically addresses this issue with the goal of getting NCTE to renege and replace this statement with something more accurate and more consonant with the wishes of parents and many, many educators, business men and politicians? If there is such a group, I would like to participate. If there is no current group, I would be happy to take responsibility for setting one up, chairing, and spearheading such a group. If there is no current provision within ATEG for this sort of a group, perhaps interested parties could form an informal, ad hoc group, put together some joint research and positions papers, and offer this to ATEG/NCTE at a later point. Phil Bralich To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/