Bruce's example of a sentence intended to impart the present state of the party might be made even clearer if the very in the clause is put in the present tense: When I asked him about the schedule for today, he told us that the party is cancelled. Now cancelled is truly an adjectival subject complement, as locked is in I can't get in; the door is locked. _____ From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bruce Despain Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:09 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Passive voice vs. adjectival Jed, My own sense of the language makes me want to be more precise in the tense-aspect setting of the sentence you quote. In my mind the simple past tense in "was cancelled" seems to be placing it at some definite time in the past: He told us that when the committee met the party was cancelled. This would be distinct from the probable intended meaning of the sentence that would be more precisely expressed: He told us that party had been cancelled. Both these sentences are passives; the action was performed to bring the party into this state. However, if the topic and interest in making the statement is to impart the present state of the party without reference to the action that brought it about, then the predicate adjective would be the natural interpretation: When I asked him about the schedule for today, he told us that the party was cancelled. The line between the two interpretations is fine, especially when there is no context against which to make the judgement. Bruce >>> [log in to unmask] 03/16/06 6:47 AM >>> Hi all, I have a question about the following sentence: He told us that the party was cancelled. A student of mine was analyzing this sentence and suggested that cancelled could be seen as an adjectival (a participal functioning as a predicate adjective). My initial response was that cancelled was simply the lexical verb in a passive voice verb string with was being the past tense auxiliary. However, I'm hesitant to "veto" the student's interpretation. Not to be too Humpty Dumpty about it, but is it plausible to say that cancelled functions however the student perceives it/means it to function? If he perceives this structure as a modification of party and NOT as an agentless passive, then can I accept and validate his interpretation? ! Thanks for helping me think through this! Jed ***************************************************************** John E. Dews Instructor, Undergraduate Linguistics MA-TESOL/Applied Linguistics Program Educator, Secondary English Language Arts English Department, 208 Rowand-Johnson Hall (Office) University of Alabama _____ Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/pmall2/*http://photomail.mail.y ahoo.com> to share photos without annoying attachments. To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/