Stahlke, Herbert F.W. wrote:

> That quotative development is another interesting wrinkle.  A lot of 
> grammatical and lexical change takes place on the basis of metaphor, 
> that is, speakers trying to be more expressive.  But then the more 
> expressive expression becomes hackneyed and that gradually wears down 
> to almost nothing.  Take English "have", which meant "possess, hold" 
> in OE but has become a perfect auxiliary with for nearly all speakers 
> reduces to schwa, as in "woulda" and for some speakers simply drops 
> out as in the non-standard perfect aspect "I seen him".
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> Stahlke, Herbert F.W. wrote:
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> Synchronically, I'd argue that there's a register difference, as you 
> suggest, between A and B and that "as" and "like" are both 
> subordinators.  In C, "the way" is the head noun modified by an 
> asyndetic relative clause, that is, a clause that doesn't start with 
> "that" or one of the wh-relative words.  Functionally, "the way" may 
> be on its way to becoming a subordinator in its own right, but I don't 
> think it's shifted that far yet. 
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> Diachronically it gets interesting because "like" comes from Old 
> English "lic", which meant "body".  We derive both "like" and the 
> suffix -ly from "lic."  That is, a noun has gradually morphed into a 
> /conjunction/preposition and into a suffix.  "The way" is acting as if 
> it's at the beginning of such a change.  That suggests that at some 
> time, and, perhaps, for some speakers already, "the way" has ceased to 
> be an ordinary noun phrase.
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> Fellow Grammarians,
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> Let me ask about a related subject. Look at the following 
> constructions. I consider them to be paraphrases of each other. 
> Granted, the first is probably more acceptable in academic English, 
> the second is more conversational (some of you may remember the 
> Winston cigarette commercial: "Winston tastes good like a cigarette 
> should. It may be bad grammar, but it's great taste."). The third, I'm 
> not sure about.
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> I see the first as using "as" as a subordinator. In the second, I see 
> "like" also as a subordinator. What I am not sure about is the third 
> one. Is "the way" acting as a subordinator? They all seem to have the 
> same structure, but do they?
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>                                   A. He thinks as I do.
>                                   B. He thinks like I do.
>                                   C. He thinks the way I do.
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> Marshall
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> Herb,
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> Thanks for your quick and learned reply.
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> Isn't "like" also being used as a quotative as in the following sentence?
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>                                      I saw him on the corner, and I 
> said, 'Like, what are you doing here,' and he says,                   
>                                      'Like, I'm waiting for Mary.'  
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> Marshall
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Herb,

I'm located in eastern Kentucky. I grew up near Louisville. I want to 
ask you about another situation. Based on what you said about "I seen," 
I wonder if that same line of logic would explain "I taken"? It is a 
common verb choice in speakers I grew up with and here.

Thanks,

Marshall

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