At 12:03 PM 7/20/2006, Craig Hancock wrote: >. . .As you know very well, most students >can't read the average handbook, and terminology is a key to that. . . . DD: I can only vouch for my 5th grade up Latin students at a hybrid school where all were better than one standard deviation above the mean in IQ. Point of grammar came up, the anointed one* washed her hands, dried them, got them inspected and went to the shelf for Harkness. {Albert Harkness, "A Latin Grammar for Schools and Colleges, 1864 and later. I sent then to one of my personal copies, usually the 1889 one, because they like handling books older than any of their relatives. [Yes, I had more current handbooks by other authors.] They understood the honor and trust that I bestowed by allowing them to so do.} I helped the first few times, as they prepared the presentation to the class. After that it was the previous anointed's duty to pass on the lore. They seemed to love it. We certainly didn't do this every day, but at least once a week.** By the time they were in Latin III, they knew a lot more about the technicalities of grammar than the rest of the school cadre. [Well perhaps not more than Lunch Lady, but she was Honduran trained.] I think we sometimes underestimate the ability of our students, as they try to take evasive actions to conserve energy. * Haruspica. ** They knew they were awesome. To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/