I understand that the ATEG position is that the teaching of grammar has wider goals than simply "the avoidance of error." And over the years, thanks to this list and to presentations at conferences, I have come to embrace these wider goals. However, the ATEG position sometimes sounds to me to suggest that any concern with the avoidance of error is misguided. I would love to hear some ATEGers agree that reducing the frequency and seriousness of error in student writing is a worthwhile goal of grammar instruction, while recognizing that it should not be the only goal. Peter Adams To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/