In a message dated 7/31/06 8:49:57 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:


   As a coordinator of the project, I would like to say first of all that
I have no interest in simply affirming the value of Warriner's, or even
of an approach that says once people fix all their errors, they can
learn something interesting about language. From the first, our
position has been that knowledge about language is the primary goal,
and that "error reduction" is something that will routinely fall into
place if we aim at this higher goal. (Not at all discrediting
"correctness," just believing that it doesn't happen with a shallow
knowledge base.)



As a newcomer to this list, I want to thank Craig for his clarifying message.  When he writes, "from the first, our position has been that knowledge about language is the primary goal, and that "error reduction" is something that will routinely fall into place if we aim at this higher goal," he clears up a certain puzzlement I've experienced in my couple of weeks on the list.

I teach, primarily developmental writing courses, at a community college outside Baltimore.  Many of my students are bright and have interesting ideas to express, but make so many errors with the conventions of standard written English, that the effectiveness of their writing is seriously compromised.  And I have one fourteen-week semester to help them get ready for college-level writing courses. 

From my perspective, of the two goals--"knowledge about language" and "error reduction"--error reduction seems much more urgent and much more important to my students' success as writers in a world where writing ability is an essential component of success.  I, of course, recognize that there is more to effective writing than control over the conventions, but I also recognize that a plethora of errors in any piece of writing will render it ineffective, regardless of its other qualities.  On the other hand, if I were working on the Scope and Sequence Project, which I take to be a description of twelve years of instruction, then I think I would be much more enthusiastic about the position Craig describes.

I also see the value of "knowledge about language," by which I think ATEG means something like the long list of terms Joanna posted a week or two ago.  In an ideal world, I would agree that providing that kind of "knowledge about language" is a worthy goal, but in the real world my students and I inhabit, I have to give priority to the more practical and achievable (in 14 weeks) goal of helping them reduce the severity and frequency of error in their writing.

I know there are some in our profession who share my goal and are trying to develop, to use Rei Noguchi's term, a "writer's grammar," a grammar that emphasizes just those terms and concepts that are necessary to eliminate most errors.  For example, the distinction between direct and indirect objects is important in Latin, but not in English where there is no difference in word forms in these two slots.  So, I would leave that distinction out of my version of a "writer's grammar."   Joanna's list includes more than sixty items; mine would include about a dozen.

I was particularly struck by Craig's pointing out that "from the first, our position has been that knowledge about language is the primary goal, and that "error reduction" is something that will routinely fall into place if we aim at this higher goal." 

I wasn't aware of that ATEG had made this commitment.  I had thought--without much actual knowledge to base this assumption on--that ATEG was a "big tent" organization with members who agreed that the teaching of grammar is important, but who might disagree about the goals of that instruction and the means to accomplish it.  The implication in Craig's post seems to be that there are two approaches--the "knowledge about language" approach and the "Warriner's" approach. It seems to me that there is at least one more: an approach that recognizes the weaknesses of the traditional approaches but that is trying to develop a more enlightened way of teaching students a grammar that will empower them to write successfully in the real world. 



Peter Adams
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