I cannot express how tedious I find this conversation. It is like listening to people in parallel universes talking past each other, with no prospect of achieving communication. Please, one and all, give it a rest. When someone says something over and over that you think is stupid, just let it go. Isn't it obvious by now that the prospect of making the other person think as you do is nil? Please give up too the idea that you must achieve victory in a debate. Can we please move on? ________________________ Richard Veit Department of English, UNCW To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/