Phil, My experience with accrediting agencies is different. They want curriculum and certification closely linked. But I agree that ATEG is the place for us to work on both of these, as well as the linkage issue. Herb > I think we should see grammar certification as part of much larger >scale initiative, the Scope and Sequence project. Honestly I don't see that the one is contained in the other. They are two very different items. One has to do with curriculum planning and the other has to do with test design and teacher qualifications. Certainly in accreditation circles these would never be joined up. The container for both is more accurately ATEG. Phil Bralich To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/