I like to tell students that the secret to English punctuation lies in looking at the three types of joining words all at once (in a 3 column slide), then taking note each has it's own punctuation. I further point out that it is relatively easy to keep the three sets apart. I point out the FANBOYS acronym for coordinate conjunctions and then note that the ideas of subordinate and conjunctive adverb already exists in their head it is just a matter of getting comfortable with it. To prove it I give them a few examples and they try to place them in the correct category with the others on the slide. And then I give these basic rules which are quite elucidating and elmininate a lot of problems: 1. Coordinate Conjunctions. A comma always precedes the coordinate conjunction A, and B. 2. Subordinate conjunctions. If the conjuntion precedes the conjunction clause use a comma. Because A, B. B because A. 3. Conjunctive Adverbs There are four ways to do this. A. However, B. B; however, B. A. B..., however, B... . A. B... , however. They find this approach clears their mind. I teach post-secondary and there are frequently confusions that need to be cleared up rather than ideas that need to be introduced. Phil Bralich -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Sep 11, 2006 8:37 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Conjunctive Adverbs > >Phil, > I agree, but I think we need to make it clear that our agreement is >essentially that we will use these terms to mean these things, and that >the distinctions are important. > I think the semi-colon is a natural tool to show a simultaneous >connection and independence between clauses, like those in your >"however" example. (I'm just as glad you didn't use the semi-colon; >some grammar books talk as though it is the right way to do it.) And I >have no problem with starting with the role of the semi-colon and then >coming up with examples that seem effective. > In an effective text, no sentences function independently of each other. >From there, we can see lots of ways in which the connections are built >and made manifest. > These are important problems precisely because they are at the >conjunction of syntax and discourse. If sentences are to do the work of >discourse, then we need to look at how. > Following most handbooks won't get us very far. > >Craig > > > Their independence is what determines that they are adverbs and not >> conjunctions. A conjunction requires two clauses an adverb can sit >> with john. John dates Mary although she is leaving town. >> Subordinate conjunction John likes Mary but she is leaving town. >> Coordinate conjunction John likes Mary. However, >> she is leaving town. Conjunctive adverb This is not just a >> punctuation convention but a recognition of the fundamental difference >> between an adverb that carries this sort of meaning (consequence, >> negative consequenec, conjunction, etc) and the conjunctions that do. >> Phil Bralich >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Adams >> Sent: Sep 10, 2006 2:08 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Conjunctive Adverbs >> >> Everyone seems to agree, even Martha Kolln and the Cambridge Grammar, that >> conjunctive adverbs are, indeed, conjunctions. I still don't see why they >> are not just considered adverbs. Does anyone see it my way? >> >> >> >> Peter Adams >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface >> at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or >> leave the list" >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV >> list, please visit the list's web interface at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave >> the list" >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >and select "Join or leave the list" > >Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/