Cynthia raises a critical issue, that of grammar knowledge and college students. How do students who don't understand the most basic issues of grammar (such as identifying the subject and verb in a sentence) successfully finish k-12 to arrive at college? Almost all of my college students can tell me a noun is a person, place, or thing (or an idea for the younger students), but few can identify the nouns, let alone the subject in a simple sentence such as The cat sat on the table. As a university English teacher with an interest in teacher education and a doctorate in composition studies, I tend to teach middle and upper level writing and language courses, and I teach courses required for the education and English education students. I am terrified to see the fear, confusion, and ignorance many of these students have in grammar. We are fortunate enough to have a basic grammar course offering in the department, but it's not required by the education department for its students. (I believe the criminal justice department is the only department on campus wheich requires its students to take this course.) To be fair, education students have such distribution requirements that they literally have only one or two free electives, but, in my experience, education students desperately need help with their grammar, as do almost all of our students. Speaking for myself, I always include as much grammar in class lessons as I can, and I always comment on grammar in writing assignments, but grammar is not a stated general education or course goal in our courses for anything but the intro and advanced grammar courses. In truth, I'm lucky to steal one class day out of about 31 for grammar. I also address grammar when I return papers to show students what worked in their syntax and what didn't. How can k-16 teachers work together to address this problem? How can 12-16 education and English professors work together on this problem? Any ideas out there? Carolyn Sturgeon West Virginia State University >From: Cynthia Baird <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: NCTE conference >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:15:36 -0800 > >Since you are preparing to present at NTCE, and your presentation includes >teacher preparation, I thought I would take the time to share with you my >recent experience with student-teacher grammar instruction. > > I currently have a student teacher from my local college here in rural >south-central Colo, and I am dismayed at her lack of grammar knowledge. In >Colo, a secondary language arts license allows one teach 6-12, so I would >think that some grammar knowledge might be beneficial to anyone wanting to >teach at least at the middle school level. My student teacher's grammar >knowledge is abysmal--she can't even explain to my students the simplest of >concepts such as pronoun case or pronoun-antecedent agreement. She doesn't >know what a comma splice is, nor can she explain such punctuation errors to >my students. I do not think the fault lies within my student teacher--the >college simply does not incorporate secondary grammar instruction >prepartion anywhere in the English degree. > > I know this is just one isolated example of teacher preparation, but if >your presentation at the NCTE conference can in any way impress upon this >influential organization the need for better grammar preparation amongst >teachers, then I, along with many parents and students, would be most >grateful. If colleges are not even providing prospective teachers with any >grammar knowledge, what does that say for the future of teaching English >grammar? > > thanks > _________________________________________________________________ View Athlete’s Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/