Exchanges of points of view on this List can become quite complicated given the numerous participants and threads and sub-threads. It would, therefore, have been helpul had Johanna cited the actual text to which she was replying in her following response to me: 'It is really kind of useless to talk about "race" and IQ without taking into consideration the nurture question...' May I also suggest in the politest way possible that Johanna and anyone else of likewise disposition resist the temptation to publicly comment on the putatively incorrect language use of other members. If they cannot resist that particular temptation, they can compromise by helpfully explaining off-List to the offender where s/he is going wrong.. Ron Sheen To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/