I thought that Martha did that - the problem as I understand it is not the quality of the refutation, it's the willingness of people to listen to it.
 
Geoff Layton
It’s long past time for someone to write a thorough critique and refutation of Hartwell’s article. 

Tim

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Morrison
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Patrick Hartwell's Article

 

Thank you. I am only halfway through his article, but

it seems quite important. I currently give formal

grammar instruction to four freshman sections of basic

writing (at the most basic level) and I am trying to

figure out why so few of the other composition

teachers do this. I am sure that there is value in it,

but I suppose that this needs to be proved.

CLM

--- Bob Yates <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

> Carol,

>

> In the grammar course I teach for pre-service

> English teachers, I make specific mention of them.

>

>  If there is one grammar Hartwell leaves out, it is

> one that describes the kind of grammar an second

> language learner of English needs to have. 

>

> Bob Yates, University of Central Missouri

>

> >>> Carol Morrison <[log in to unmask]>

> 10/18/2007 12:30 PM >>>

> Can someone tell me whether the (5) categories of

> grammar that Hartwell outlines (Grammar 1-Grammar 5)

> are commonly referred to when one speaks of teaching

> grammar? The article to which I am referring is

> "Grammar, Grammars, and the Teaching of Grammar."

> Until reading this article, I did not realize that

> grammar had been divided into those classifications.

> Thank you.

>   

>   Carol Morrison

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