>  Bill,
Your post on my email list was surrounded by the 
usual spam.  Directly following your line was one 
from Lands' End ("Stock up on Women's 
Turtlenecks").  Yes, Lands'.  I once wrote to 
them, at the behest of my class, to ask about 
their apostrophe.  They explained, via form 
letter, that the original sign painter or printer 
(or whoever) had made the mistake--and they 
decided to retain it as their signature.

And then there's Howard Johnson's, which was 
officially changed to Howard Johnsons.  I wonder 
if Howard himself is now plural!

Martha







>As one of my previous posts probably indicated, 
>I tend to reach for The Chicago Manual of Style 
>to resolve punctuation questions; it 
>acknowledges some of the variation in editorial 
>practice on the apostrophe issue (I do, however, 
>point out to journalism majors in my classes 
>that the AP style is different, and that they'd 
>best follow that one).
>
>Last spring, as part of the discussion of 
>apostrophes, I put a copy of the relevant 
>section from the Manual up on the overhead 
>simply as an example of what a detailed attempt 
>to approach the issue could look like. One of 
>the students noticed the section that stated 
>that Jesus and Moses constituted exceptions, in 
>that - because of established practice - they 
>just get the apostrophe, even though the Manual 
>recommends apostrophe + s for most other cases 
>with stem-final -s. She then asked a question 
>that got the class actually engaged in the 
>discussion: "Do we just use the apostrophe for 
>Jesus Jesus, or do we do that with other people 
>named Jesus too?"  I told them I had absolutely 
>no idea, and then asked them to argue both sides 
>of the issue. Now if only something similarly 
>interesting would happen with the semicolonŠ.
>
>Bill Spruiell
>
>Dept. of English
>Central Michigan University
>
>
>
>
>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English 
>Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
>Behalf Of STAHLKE, HERBERT F
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:51 PM
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>Subject: Re: Britney Spears' talent--or Britney Spears's talent?
>
>As Dick's examples of variation indicate, both 
>forms are found widely.  I was taught, a half 
>century ago, which is no evidence of authority, 
>to use only the apostrophe if the -s belonged to 
>the stem.  However, the fact that in speech the 
>two s so frequently reduce to one reflects a 
>common phonological process called haplology, by 
>which a sequence of two identical or similar 
>forms reduces to one, as in "probably" > 
>"probly."
>
>Herb
>
>First an anecdote. Then a topic.
>
>The anecdote: My wife and I often pass a 
>used-car lot with a big sign that reads LARRYS' 
>(ending in an apostrophe). In our smug, 
>professorial way, we assumed that the owner was 
>confused about punctuation, and we jokingly 
>referred to the place as Larry-ziz. As we later 
>learned, the lot is owned by two guys named 
>Larry, who knew their punctuation after all. We 
>still call it Larry-ziz, though.
>
>The topic: English usage mavens are divided 
>about the treatment of possessive nouns ending 
>in s. Style sheets all agree that a word ending 
>in plural -s takes only an apostrophe for the 
>possessive: the families' homes, several 
>students' homework.
>
>They are not in agreement, however, about the 
>possessive form of nonplural nouns ending in s. 
>Do you add just an apostrophe or apostrophe + s? 
>Is it "Britney Spears' monumental talent" or 
>"Britney Spears's monumental talent"? Some style 
>sheets stipulate apostrophe + s for short nouns 
>(Lois's friends) and only apostrophe for longer 
>ones (Socrates' death). The division among 
>authorities in this matter means places a burden 
>on faculty. So what do we teach?
>
>On the grounds that simple is better than 
>complicated, I tell students to use a sound 
>test. If you hear the iz sound in such words, 
>add 's. Otherwise, just apostrophe. So it's Ms. 
>Jones's house (pronounced Jones-iz). But what's 
>the possessive of Socrates? If you say 
>"Sock-ra-teez-iz death," then it's Socrates's; 
>if you say "Sock-ra-teez death," then it's just 
>Socrates'. By the way, I understand there is a 
>St. James's Park in London (pronounced with the 
>iz) and a St. James' Park in Newcastle (no iz).
>
>Of course apostrophe use is never simple. 
>Consider, for example, 'Do's and Don'ts." But 
>that's another topic.
>
>Dick Veit
>________________________________
>Richard Veit
>Department of English
>University of North Carolina Wilmington
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