Carol,
You're welcome, and it's Herb.
Herb
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Morrison
Sent: 2008-01-27 11:45
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Summer Courses/Programs in Grammar
Thank you, Dr. Stahlke, for your advice and explanation of what the two
courses at WCU would cover. There is so much to learn about grammar and
the English language, I can't possibly expect to learn it all, at least
not in one lifetime. Just being on this listserv for the past 6 months
or so has shown me how much I don't know! I hope that taking some
courses in grammar and/or linguistics will help; those courses are just
hard to find.
Best -
Carol
"STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Carol,
I hope you succeed in finding a course that treats grammar in
ways that are relevant to the composition classroom. You put your
finger on one of the curricular gaps in linguistics, English, and
composition programs, the absence of just such courses. I've taught
both of the courses you mention WCU is offering, and I'm not sure either
is what you're looking for, given the descriptions you provide. An
Intro Linguistics course will not address pedagogy, composition, or much
of English grammar. It has too many other topics it has to cover to
prepare students for more advanced courses in linguistics. A "Structure
of Modern English" course will present an anatomy of English syntactic
structures, possibly some material on English word formation, and maybe
even some English phonology, although that tends to be neglected. It
will likely be a very technical grammar course drawing heavily on
linguistic concepts. It will almost certainly not deal with pedagogy or
composition.
The sort of course you seek is one a number of us have taught,
and Martha Koln has written a superb text for it, her Rhetorical
Grammar, which a lot of us have studied and have used as a text in our
own classes. State College is a bit of a commute from Philadelphia, but
I wonder if Martha or one of her colleagues will be offering such a
course this summer.
All the best!
Herb
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Morrison
Sent: 2008-01-26 09:31
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Summer Courses/Programs in Grammar
Dear Fellow ATEG Members,
I am interested in taking a course in grammar at a local college
or university this summer.
Does anyone happen to know of a college or university in the
Philadelphia area that might be offering a grammar class or workshop for
teachers? West Chester University is offering Intro. to Linguistics:
"basic concepts of language description, classification, change,
reconstruction, dialectology, and sociolinguistics" and Structure of
Modern English: "a detailed analysis of the modern descriptive approach
to the study of English grammar and how it compares with the traditional
approach." Would anyone be able to recommend either of those courses or
something else? I would like to increase my knowledge in the type of
grammar that could possibly be applied to the composition classroom, a
"writer's grammar." Maybe taking both of the courses would be
beneficial, though I'm not sure that I have the time. Thank you for your
time and possible feedback.
Carol Morrison
Scott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Although I use Joo's Five clocks quite literally, I do
not speak to my
cousins (also farm born but who stayed on the farm) in
the same idiolect
that I would use in a speech to a general audience, or
in talking with
fellow teachers at a teacher's conference, or in talking
to colleagues
at a professional congress/conference, or in giving a
lecture at such an
event.
It should be noted that Formal English is within the
scope of most
non-English-speaking participants in international
conferences; casual
English is not. When--and only when--I am speaking to or
writing an article
for
highly literate colleagues do I proudly bear the banner
of pedantry. My
formal idiolect in such cases is quite strict.
In case you wonder, my email to ATEG is more casual than
it would be for
speaking to a general audience--much as if I were
speaking with friends
in general conversation--a good group makes you feel
that way.
Scott Catledge
I wonder whether...I've fallen into the old grammar
pedant's trap of trying
to foist my idiolect on the universe.
>
>> Thanks, er, muchly,
>> Bill Spruiell
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