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Having heard every president--and most opponents--from FDR to George II, the
only one that I could listen to without going 'yeccchhh' was Ronald Reagan.
FDR was a distant second. Truman would be third; Nixon, fourth; George I,
fifth. Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Gore, George II are products of schools
in which anything goes: how can someone's speech be incorrect? It's his (or
her) speech, after all.
Asking a choice among McCain, Obama, Clinton, Romney is like asking a
freedom lover to choose among Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Pol Pot.
I'd have to say Romney.
Scott Catledge
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I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and who is
the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming speeches,
interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a president who
has a strong command of the English language. That person will get my vote
(maybe). Any favorites?
CLM
"STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Bill,
There's also the question of its pronunciation. Should it rhyme with
"teak" or with "tech". Of course in OE it would have rhymed with
"rack." I suspect the word exists today largely in formulaic
utterances.
Herb
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Subject: Re: Begging the question (3)
"Wrought" is an old past participle of "work"; According to the OED,
"wrought havoc" is actually the past tense of "work havoc," not "wreak
havoc." I'm not sure "wreak" has a surviving past or past participle
form. Wreaked? Wrook?
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
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Is 'wrought' the past participle of 'wreak' or 'work'? My dictionaries
are having a conflict.
Janet Castilleja
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<div>I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and
who is the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming
speeches, interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a
president who has a strong command of the English language. That person will
get my vote (maybe). Any favorites?</div> <div>CLM<BR><B><I>"STAHLKE,
HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE
class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">Bill,<BR><BR>There's also the question of its
pronunciation. Should it rhyme with<BR>"teak" or with "tech". Of course in
OE it would have rhymed with<BR>"rack." I suspect the word exists today
largely in formulaic<BR>utterances.<BR><BR>Herb<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English
Grammar<BR>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William
C<BR>Sent: 2008-02-01 14:08<BR>To:
[log in to unmask]<BR>Subject: Re: Begging the question
(3)<BR><BR>"Wrought" is an old past participle of "work"; According to the
OED,<BR>"wrought havoc" is actually the past tense of "work havoc," not
"wreak<BR>havoc." I'm not sure "wreak" has a surviving past or past
participle<BR>form. Wreaked? Wrook?<BR><BR>Bill Spruiell<BR>Dept. of
English<BR>Central Michigan University<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English
Grammar<BR>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Castilleja,
Janet<BR>Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:10 PM<BR>To:
[log in to unmask]<BR>Subject: Re: Begging the question (3)<BR><BR>Is
'wrought' the past participle of 'wreak' or 'work'? My dictionaries<BR>are
having a conflict.<BR><BR>Janet Castilleja<BR><BR>-----Original
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Grammar<BR>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Edmond
Wright<BR>Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:13
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:58:10 -0700
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eak" or with "tech". Of course in OE it would have rhymed with"rack." I sus=
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"wreak" has a surviving past or past participleform. Wreaked? Wrook?Bill Sp=
ruiellDept. of EnglishCentral Michigan University-----Original Message-----=
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Purely from a public speaking standpoint, all three do fairly well. McCain
strives for an "everyman" approach, Clinton goes for "Powerful Woman" in her
voice, and Obama is leaning toward an almost call-and-response flavor. I
did hear Obama promise to pronounce the word "nuclear" as.well."nuclear,"
which made me chuckle.
-patty
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I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and who is
the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming speeches,
interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a president who
has a strong command of the English language. That person will get my vote
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CLM
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My apologies! Please add him to the list.
CLM
Elizabeth Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Elizabeth Clark
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To: [log in to unmask]
I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and who
is the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming
speeches, interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a
president who has a strong command of the English language. That person will
get my vote (maybe). Any favorites?
CLM
"STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Bill,
There's also the question of its pronunciation. Should it rhyme with
"teak" or with "tech". Of course in OE it would have rhymed with
"rack." I suspect the word exists today largely in formulaic
utterances.
Herb
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Sent: 2008-02-01 14:08
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Subject: Re: Begging the question (3)
"Wrought" is an old past participle of "work"; According to the OED,
"wrought havoc" is actually the past tense of "work havoc," not "wreak
havoc." I'm not sure "wreak" has a surviving past or past participle
form. Wreaked? Wrook?
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
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Is 'wrought' the past participle of 'wreak' or 'work'? My dictionaries
are having a conflict.
Janet Castilleja
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<div>My apologies! Please add him to the list.</div>
<div>CLM<BR><BR><B><I>Elizabeth Clark <[log in to unmask]></I></B>
wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
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Romney?<BR> <BR>Elizabeth Clark<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR
id=EC_stopSpelling> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:17:38 -0800<BR>From:
[log in to unmask]<BR>Subject: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best
grammar?<BR>To: [log in to unmask]<BR><BR> <DIV>I am curious to see
which of the candidates has the best grammar and who is the most
well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming speeches,
interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a president
who has a strong command of the English language. That person will get my
vote (maybe). Any
favorites?</DIV> <DIV>CLM<BR><B><I>"STAHLKE, HERBERT F"
<[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_replbq
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">Bill,<BR><BR>There's also the question of its pronunciation. Should
it rhyme with<BR>"teak" or with "tech". Of course in OE it would have rhymed
with<BR>"rack." I suspect the word exists today largely in
formulaic<BR>utterances.<BR><BR>Herb<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English
Grammar<BR>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William
C<BR>Sent: 2008-02-01 14:08<BR>To: [log in to unmask]<BR>Subject: Re:
Begging the question (3)<BR><BR>"Wrought" is an old past participle of
"work"; According to the OED,<BR>"wrought havoc" is actually the past tense
of "work havoc," not "wreak<BR>havoc." I'm not sure "wreak" has a surviving
past or past participle<BR>form. Wreaked? Wrook?<BR><BR>Bill
Spruiell<BR>Dept. of
English<BR>Central Michigan University<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English
Grammar<BR>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Castilleja,
Janet<BR>Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:10 PM<BR>To:
[log in to unmask]<BR>Subject: Re: Begging the question (3)<BR><BR>Is
'wrought' the past participle of 'wreak' or 'work'? My dictionaries<BR>are
having a conflict.<BR><BR>Janet Castilleja<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English
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Wright<BR>Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:13 AM<BR>To:
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:29:01 -0600
From: "Katz, Seth" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
On GW Bush saying "nucular" (as did Jimmy Carter--who was a nuclear =
engineer!): I have heard tell that in the televised Texas gubernatorial =
debates, Bush did not speak as he has for the past 8 years, but rather =
sounded much more like the articulate, Yale-educated, upper-class =
Northeasterner that he actually is. The folksy, aw-shucks, =
malapropistic Bush is a character that he and his handlers created to =
make him a more marketable candidate. Does anyone know if this is true: =
that Bush did not always speak publicly as he does now?
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Reagan said "nucular."
=20
Best--
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=20
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Department of English
Bradley University
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Yes, every time Bush says "nucular" it makes me cringe!
Patricia Lafayllve <[log in to unmask]> wrote:=20
Purely from a public speaking standpoint, all three do fairly well.
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McCain strives for an "everyman" approach, Clinton goes for "Powerful =
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word "nuclear" as...well..."nuclear," which made me chuckle.
=20
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From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
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Fascinating theory, Seth.
I voted for Dubya twice but it makes me so uncomfortable to watch him, I
didn't see his State of the Union but read the full text the next day. Could
his annoying, anti-Churchillian demeanor possible be a put-on? Hard to
believe.
"Katz, Seth" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On GW Bush saying "nucular" (as did Jimmy Carter--who was a nuclear
engineer!): I have heard tell that in the televised Texas gubernatorial
debates, Bush did not speak as he has for the past 8 years, but rather
sounded much more like the articulate, Yale-educated, upper-class
Northeasterner that he actually is. The folksy, aw-shucks, malapropistic
Bush is a character that he and his handlers created to make him a more
marketable candidate. Does anyone know if this is true: that Bush did not
always speak publicly as he does now?
BTW: I do not believe that Bill Clinton, George HW Bush, or Ronald Reagan
said "nucular."
Best--
Seth
Dr. Seth Katz
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Bradley University
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Sent: Wed 2/6/2008 11:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
Yes, every time Bush says "nucular" it makes me cringe!
Patricia Lafayllve wrote:
Purely from a public speaking standpoint, all three do fairly well. McCain
strives for an "everyman" approach, Clinton goes for "Powerful Woman" in her
voice, and Obama is leaning toward an almost call-and-response flavor. I did
hear Obama promise to pronounce the word "nuclear" as...well..."nuclear,"
which made me chuckle.
-patty
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Morrison
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and who is
the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming speeches,
interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a president who
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<div><STRONG>Fascinating theory, Seth.</STRONG></div>
<div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>I voted for Dubya twice but
it makes me so uncomfortable to watch him, I didn't see his State of
the Union but read the full text the next day. Could his
annoying, anti-Churchillian demeanor possible be a put-on? Hard to
believe.<BR></STRONG><BR><B><I>"Katz, Seth"
<[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE
class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">On GW Bush saying "nucular" (as did Jimmy Carter--who was
a nuclear engineer!): I have heard tell that in the televised Texas
gubernatorial debates, Bush did not speak as he has for the past 8 years,
but rather sounded much more like the articulate, Yale-educated, upper-class
Northeasterner that he actually is. The folksy, aw-shucks, malapropistic
Bush is a character that he and his handlers created to make him a more
marketable candidate.
Does anyone know if this is true: that Bush did not always speak publicly
as he does now?<BR><BR>BTW: I do not believe that Bill Clinton, George HW
Bush, or Ronald Reagan said "nucular."<BR><BR>Best--<BR>Seth<BR><BR>Dr. Seth
Katz <BR>Assistant Professor<BR>Department of English<BR>Bradley
University<BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From: Assembly
for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Carol Morrison<BR>Sent: Wed
2/6/2008 11:57 AM<BR>To: [log in to unmask]<BR>Subject: Re: McCain,
Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?<BR><BR><BR>Yes, every time Bush
says "nucular" it makes me cringe!<BR><BR>Patricia Lafayllve
<[log in to unmask]>wrote: <BR><BR>Purely from a public speaking
standpoint, all three do fairly well. McCain strives for an "everyman"
approach, Clinton goes for "Powerful Woman" in her voice, and Obama is
leaning toward an almost call-and-response flavor. I did hear Obama promise
to pronounce the word "nuclear"
as...well..."nuclear," which made me
chuckle.<BR><BR>-patty<BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>Fr
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:45:59 -0500
From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
As a Southerner, I can rather confidently say two things about
"nuclear":
(1) The default pronunciation for a great many of us is "nyukyuler"
(2) We *know* that's not the standard pronunciation.
In other words, "nyukyuler" is rather like "libary"; it's not surprising
to encounter it in some situations (home, speaking with friends, talking
to people from the same area), but it is surprising to encounter it in
others (press conferences directed at a national audience).
It's always dangerous to think you know exactly why someone is making a
particular linguistic choice (this is the linguist's equivalent of the
literary critic's "intentional fallacy"). I obviously don't *know* why
Bush does this, but of course I can't resist making hypotheses (biased
ones, naturally). From a Southerner who worked in a Southern community
and didn't have to deal frequently with a national audience, it would
seem to be simply dialect on auto-pilot. From Bush II, it comes across
to me as less a case of "not sounding intellectual" than of "being
anti-intellectual" -- there's almost an aggressive, "I have power and
can do this and there isn't jack you can do about it" sense to it. In
other words, he can *too* talk back to his third-grade English teacher.
So there!
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
[And of course, particularly in a political thread, my views should not
be taken as indicative of those of my institution, my department, or
probably rational people in general]
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Katz, Seth
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
On GW Bush saying "nucular" (as did Jimmy Carter--who was a nuclear
engineer!): I have heard tell that in the televised Texas gubernatorial
debates, Bush did not speak as he has for the past 8 years, but rather
sounded much more like the articulate, Yale-educated, upper-class
Northeasterner that he actually is. The folksy, aw-shucks,
malapropistic Bush is a character that he and his handlers created to
make him a more marketable candidate. Does anyone know if this is true:
that Bush did not always speak publicly as he does now?
=20
BTW: I do not believe that Bill Clinton, George HW Bush, or Ronald
Reagan said "nucular."
=20
Best--
Seth
=20
Dr. Seth Katz=20
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Bradley University
=20
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Carol
Morrison
Sent: Wed 2/6/2008 11:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
Yes, every time Bush says "nucular" it makes me cringe!
Patricia Lafayllve <[log in to unmask]> wrote:=20
Purely from a public speaking standpoint, all three do fairly
well. McCain strives for an "everyman" approach, Clinton goes for
"Powerful Woman" in her voice, and Obama is leaning toward an almost
call-and-response flavor. I did hear Obama promise to pronounce the
word "nuclear" as...well..."nuclear," which made me chuckle.
=20
-patty
=20
=09
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Morrison
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
=20
I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar
and who is the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to
upcoming speeches, interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice
to have a president who has a strong command of the English language.
That person will get my vote (maybe). Any favorites?
CLM
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:45:25 -0500
From: "STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
ADS-L had a discussion on this some years back, and I pointed out then
that /nuky@l@r/ in place of /nukli@r/ probably reflects the fact that we
have lots of words that end in /-ky@l@r/, like secular, particular,
macular, etc. and very few end in /-ky@[log in to unmask] So the former
pronunciation is chosen by analogy to the more common word ending.
Herb
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Sent: 2008-02-06 16:46
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
As a Southerner, I can rather confidently say two things about
"nuclear":
(1) The default pronunciation for a great many of us is "nyukyuler"
(2) We *know* that's not the standard pronunciation.
In other words, "nyukyuler" is rather like "libary"; it's not surprising
to encounter it in some situations (home, speaking with friends, talking
to people from the same area), but it is surprising to encounter it in
others (press conferences directed at a national audience).
It's always dangerous to think you know exactly why someone is making a
particular linguistic choice (this is the linguist's equivalent of the
literary critic's "intentional fallacy"). I obviously don't *know* why
Bush does this, but of course I can't resist making hypotheses (biased
ones, naturally). From a Southerner who worked in a Southern community
and didn't have to deal frequently with a national audience, it would
seem to be simply dialect on auto-pilot. From Bush II, it comes across
to me as less a case of "not sounding intellectual" than of "being
anti-intellectual" -- there's almost an aggressive, "I have power and
can do this and there isn't jack you can do about it" sense to it. In
other words, he can *too* talk back to his third-grade English teacher.
So there!
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
[And of course, particularly in a political thread, my views should not
be taken as indicative of those of my institution, my department, or
probably rational people in general]
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Katz, Seth
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
On GW Bush saying "nucular" (as did Jimmy Carter--who was a nuclear
engineer!): I have heard tell that in the televised Texas gubernatorial
debates, Bush did not speak as he has for the past 8 years, but rather
sounded much more like the articulate, Yale-educated, upper-class
Northeasterner that he actually is. The folksy, aw-shucks,
malapropistic Bush is a character that he and his handlers created to
make him a more marketable candidate. Does anyone know if this is true:
that Bush did not always speak publicly as he does now?
=20
BTW: I do not believe that Bill Clinton, George HW Bush, or Ronald
Reagan said "nucular."
=20
Best--
Seth
=20
Dr. Seth Katz=20
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Bradley University
=20
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Carol
Morrison
Sent: Wed 2/6/2008 11:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
Yes, every time Bush says "nucular" it makes me cringe!
Patricia Lafayllve <[log in to unmask]> wrote:=20
Purely from a public speaking standpoint, all three do fairly
well. McCain strives for an "everyman" approach, Clinton goes for
"Powerful Woman" in her voice, and Obama is leaning toward an almost
call-and-response flavor. I did hear Obama promise to pronounce the
word "nuclear" as...well..."nuclear," which made me chuckle.
=20
-patty
=20
=09
________________________________
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Morrison
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
=20
I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar
and who is the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to
upcoming speeches, interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice
to have a president who has a strong command of the English language.
That person will get my vote (maybe). Any favorites?
CLM
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From: "STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: grammar and our folksy president
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James Fallows had an interesting column on this in Atlantic back in
2002 or so. He compared W's performance in debates with Ann Richards in
his '96 run with his performance in the 2000 campaign and since. In the
Texas gubernatorial race he was not only very on message, as he has been
since, but he also spoke a more sophisticated English, was mentally
agile against a very skilled debater, and generally comported himself
well. Fallows thinks, and I tend to agree, that his later folksiness is
a persona that has been very successful, one perhaps designed by Rove,
and one that W seems to have been unable to escape, once he adopted it.
=20
Herb
=20
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brad Johnston
Sent: 2008-02-06 15:59
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: grammar and our folksy president
=20
Fascinating theory, Seth.
=20
I voted for Dubya twice but it makes me so uncomfortable to watch him, I
didn't see his State of the Union but read the full text the next day.
Could his annoying, anti-Churchillian demeanor possible be a put-on?
Hard to believe.
"Katz, Seth" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On GW Bush saying "nucular" (as did Jimmy Carter--who was a
nuclear engineer!): I have heard tell that in the televised Texas
gubernatorial debates, Bush did not speak as he has for the past 8
years, but rather sounded much more like the articulate, Yale-educated,
upper-class Northeasterner that he actually is. The folksy, aw-shucks,
malapropistic Bush is a character that he and his handlers created to
make him a more marketable candidate. Does anyone know if this is true:
that Bush did not always speak publicly as he does now?
=09
BTW: I do not believe that Bill Clinton, George HW Bush, or
Ronald Reagan said "nucular."
=09
Best--
Seth
=09
Dr. Seth Katz=20
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Bradley University
=09
=09
________________________________
=09
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of
Carol Morrison
Sent: Wed 2/6/2008 11:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
=09
=09
Yes, every time Bush says "nucular" it makes me cringe!
=09
Patricia Lafayllve wrote:=20
=09
Purely from a public speaking standpoint, all three do fairly
well. McCain strives for an "everyman" approach, Clinton goes for
"Powerful Woman" in her voice, and Obama is leaning toward an almost
call-and-response flavor. I did hear Obama promise to pronounce the word
"nuclear" as...well..."nuclear," which made me chuckle.
=09
-patty
=09
=09
________________________________
=09
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Morrison
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?
=09
I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar
and who is the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to
upcoming speeches, interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice
to have a president who has a strong command of the English language.
That person will get my vote (maybe). Any favorites?
CLM
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in his ’96 run with his performance in the 2000 campaign and =
since. In the
Texas gubernatorial race he was not only very on message, as he has been =
since,
but he also spoke a more sophisticated English, was mentally agile =
against a
very skilled debater, and generally comported himself well. =
Fallows thinks,
and I tend to agree, that his later folksiness is a persona that has =
been very
successful, one perhaps designed by Rove, and one that W seems to have =
been
unable to escape, once he adopted it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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for the
Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Brad
Johnston<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 2008-02-06 15:59<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong>Fascinating theory, =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong>I voted for Dubya twice but it makes me so
uncomfortable to watch him, I didn't see his State of the Union
but read the full text the next day. Could his annoying,
anti-Churchillian demeanor possible be a put-on? Hard to =
believe.</strong><b><br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On GW Bush saying "nucular" (as did Jimmy
Carter--who was a nuclear engineer!): I have heard tell that in the =
televised
Texas gubernatorial debates, Bush did not speak as he has for the past 8 =
years,
but rather sounded much more like the articulate, Yale-educated, =
upper-class
Northeasterner that he actually is. The folksy, aw-shucks, malapropistic =
Bush
is a character that he and his handlers created to make him a more =
marketable
candidate. Does anyone know if this is true: that Bush did not always =
speak
publicly as he does now?<br>
<br>
BTW: I do not believe that Bill Clinton, George HW Bush, or Ronald =
Reagan said
"nucular."<br>
<br>
Best--<br>
Seth<br>
<br>
Dr. Seth Katz <br>
Assistant Professor<br>
Department of English<br>
Bradley University<br>
<br>
<br>
________________________________<br>
<br>
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Carol =
Morrison<br>
Sent: Wed 2/6/2008 11:57 AM<br>
To: [log in to unmask]<br>
Subject: Re: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, every time Bush says "nucular" it makes me cringe!<br>
<br>
Patricia Lafayllve wrote: <br>
<br>
Purely from a public speaking standpoint, all three do fairly well. =
McCain
strives for an "everyman" approach, Clinton goes for =
"Powerful
Woman" in her voice, and Obama is leaning toward an almost
call-and-response flavor. I did hear Obama promise to pronounce the word
"nuclear" as...well..."nuclear," which made me =
chuckle.<br>
<br>
-patty<br>
<br>
<br>
________________________________<br>
<br>
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar =
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On Behalf Of Carol Morrison<br>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:18 AM<br>
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Subject: McCain, Obama, Clinton...Who has the best grammar?<br>
<br>
I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and who =
is the
most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming speeches,
interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a president =
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(maybe).
Any favorites?<br>
CLM<br>
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Is it true that well-spoken-ness starts with the acquisition of grammar and
vocabulary by the young, i.e., school children? Is that whence it comes?
Carol Morrison <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and who
is the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming
speeches, interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a
president who has a strong command of the English language. That person will
get my vote (maybe). Any favorites?
CLM
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<DIV><STRONG>Is it true that well-spoken-ness starts with the acquisition of
grammar and vocabulary by the young, i.e., school children? Is
that whence it comes?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><I>Carol Morrison
<[log in to unmask]></I></STRONG> wrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am curious to see which of the candidates has the best grammar and
who is the most well-spoken. I will be listening attentively to upcoming
speeches, interviews, and press conferences. It would be nice to have a
president who has a strong command of the English language. That person will
get my vote (maybe). Any favorites?</DIV> <DIV>CLM<BR></DIV><p> 
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