Dear Bruce Despain, Is the past perfect the past of the present perfect? ( ) Yes. ( ) No. Please do not lecture me. For now, just check one or the other. Please reply to [log in to unmask], so we will not clog the pipe. I'll get their views IDC. .thanks.brad.10feb08. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/