STAHLKE, HERBERT F wrote: > About the only German use of "ueber" that most Americans are aware of is in the title of the national anthem, and that only because of the notoriety the Nazis gave it. So it gets borrowed with a high back rounded vowel and the sense "excessive(ly)". > > Herb Well, there is also the song, "California Uber Alles", circa 1979 by the Dead Kennedy's, a punk band from San Francisco. I see uber used as a kind of superlative on the net, but have no idea how mainstream it has become. A common sighting in the wild is "uber noob". This is mostly confined to the gaming community. This sense seems more like "super" than "excessively". Mark To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/