Wait a sec, are you saying you know for a fact that Henry K. wrote all his own speeches? What is your source? On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Brad Johnston wrote: > GOOD shot! > > Depends on what the definition of "is" is, n.t.s. > > Has he ever written anything we can get hold of? that he wrote > himself? > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Atchley, Clinton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > It depends, of course, on your definition of "great" and > "articulate," but for his ability to work an audience, it has to be > Bill Clinton. > > Clinton Atchley, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of English > Director, Master of Liberal Arts Program > Box 7652 > Henderson State University > Arkadelphia, AR 71999 > Phone: 870.230.5276 > Email: [log in to unmask] > URL: http://www.hsu.edu/atchlec > > ________________________________ > > From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of > Susan van > Druten > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 6:20 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: the most articulate American > > > Barack Obama. > > But you weren't really listening to Paul. When he said he didn't want > to play best and worst list games, you said you agreed with him. > Clearly, you > do not agree with him. I don't particularly think Obama is a great > orator > (because politicians are full of b.s.), but since I'd rather listen > to him > than Henry and since he's kinda in the news right now, he's my choice > for greatest political living orator. As far as verbal skills--and > not > speeches--go, I think Steven Colbert is very clever. But he's > playing the > role of a sophist. I also like Mark Twain and George Orwell and > H.L. Mencken. > > > On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Brad Johnston wrote: > > > Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published > every day. > Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five: > hated it, > didn't like it, liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their > computer > tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen yet. > > Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech > professor if I could find one. > > You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is. > > Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? > If you > do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be > tough to > beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot. > > Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not > Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. > Who > is it? Who's really got a handle on our language? > > C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it? > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a > question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better > user of > the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just dwell > joyfully in > good language when I come across it and not make comparisons. > > > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and > select "Join or leave the list" > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/