At 04:51 PM 12/15/2008, Edward Vavra wrote: . . . I would say that ATEG is a dangerous organization. (There are times when I'm sorry that I started it.) . . . DD: In the words of Lenin, "What is to be done?" What now can we do? To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/