Michael, I think the fact that Edmond is writing us from England ought to get him at least mildly off the hook. The progressive movement in American politics has a very proud history, especially in the early twentieth century. I'm not sure many Americans understand that, let alone someone from another country. Am I right that you agree with Edmond in other ways? Can you give us a description of what a true progressive would say in relation to things like "craft," "discipline", and "grammar"? Craig Michael Dee wrote: > In my lifetime, progressive causes have been routinely disparaged by > the logic evident in Dr. Wright's definition: renounce the general > term (and its proponents) by identifying it with an obviously flawed > subcategory or remote relative. If you doubt the efficacy of this > rhetorical strategy, consider the fate of "liberal." Believe me, my > rage at the predominance of conservative politics in this country can > easily match Dr. Wright's passionate criticism of romantic idealism. > Not only that: I would agree with the criticism, particularly as it > applies to educational principles and practices. And for that very > reason I object to casting progressives as childish idealists. > > More passion available upon request. > > Michael Dee > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html > and select "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/