Herbert,
I raised a question about the possible evolution of usage for "have"
as in "I have to do this." Might this have developed from "I have
this to do"? Do you believe Beth Levin's book would cover this? I
went to Amazon to check out her work. This led me to other works you
or others may be able to comment upon:
Argument Realization (Research Surveys in Linguistics)by Beth Levin,
Constructions at Work: The Nature of Generalization in Language by
Adele Goldberg,
Constructions: A Construction Grammar Approach to Argument Structure
(Cognitive Theory of Language and Culture Series) by Adele E. Goldberg
All of these sound interesting. I am curious to know what you or
others have to say of these works.
Much obliged,
Gregg
On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:18 AM, STAHLKE, HERBERT F wrote:
> From a lexical semantic and syntactic point of view, let me once
> again recommend Beth Levin's English Verb Classes and Alternations
> (Chicago 1993) as the most detailed published analysis I know of of
> how meaning and form work together to classify verbs in useful
> ways. Of course, her overall classification, with about 330
> classes, might be a bit much for an undergrad grammar class, but as
> a reference work and as an introduction to the subtlety and power
> of the concepts, it's a great piece of scholarship to have on your
> shelf. And she is pretty much neutral when it comes to theory, at
> least in this book. You don't have to be a linguist to read it.
>
> Herb
>
> Herbert F. W. Stahlke, Ph.D.
> Emeritus Professor of English
> Ball State University
> Muncie, IN 47306
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> Bruce,
> If I want a problem to go away or want my refrigerator to fill
> up, then I don't expect the problem or the refrigerator to do
> anything. But that only becomes a problem when we want to define
> the construction in a narrow way. If the construction builds from
> the ground up, then we need to expect these anomalies in the same
> way we expect word meanings to grow and change.
> Is wanting X to Y the same as expecting X to Y? How about
> encouraging? discouraging? Helping? Ordering? Making? The more
> abstract the classification pattern, the further it drifts from the
> real world of meaning.
> Each of these verbs uses these constructions in unique ways. The
> patterns build from use, not independently of it.
>
> Craig
>
> Bruce Despain wrote:
> Your pattern, “If I say that ‘X V-ed Y to Z’ am I saying that it’s
> Y who will be doing the Z-ing?” looks like what might be described
> in a constructional grammar (CG). These folks are averse to
> describing the relationships of constructions as built up of other
> constructions. They like to contrast the usage construction
> meaning vs. the grammatical construction meaning.
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: Correct?
>
> Dear All:
>
> I suspect that one of the reasons that many modern grammars use
> what seem to be simplistic structural pattern definitions (e.g. [S
> V DO INF] for both “We wanted him to be hired” and “We wanted him
> to go home”) is that the differences among those sentences are
> differences in what the various participants are doing – the
> relationships among them – and we don’t really have a theoretically
> agnostic way of talking about that. The minute a term like
> “underlying subject” is used, the description is locked into a
> particular model.
>
> This is true of all descriptions, of course (simply by using a
> label like “infinitive,” I’ve committed to a kind of model), but
> cases like these bring up major points of contention among current
> models. Almost everyone who works on English is happy with the term
> “infinitive,” but there is nowhere near the same level of
> consensus about the idea that infinitives are really, truly, made
> out of full sentences, etc. I have a knee-jerk reaction the minute
> I see a phrase like “underlying subject,” and I’m sure I use
> phrases that others on the list would have an immediate negative
> reaction to as well. One way authors of grammar books can try to
> dodge the entire issue is simply to omit any references to this
> type of material at all, and thus we end up with [S V DO INF].
>
> Older grammars, like the ones Herb mentions, did something that I
> think we can still do: we can all agree that there are different
> patterns of relationships among the participants, even if we don’t
> agree on why those differences exist. To some extent, the
> differences among the patterns can be “anchored” by relating them
> to native-speaker reactions to questions about implications of the
> structure (e.g. “If I say that ‘X V-ed Y to Z’ am I saying that
> it’s Y who will be doing the Z-ing?”). In other words, we can
> adopt ways to probe for differences that there will be wide
> consensus on, even if there is no such consensus on what the
> differences mean for a theory of linguistic structure (this is what
> I’m trying to get at with the term “theoretically agnostic”).
>
> Bill Spruiell
> Dept. of English
> Central Michigan University
>
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