Scott, I agree with Janet calling "got" a helping verb. I tell my students that passive voice consists of an auxiliary verb and past participle. I'd be interested to know why you and Patty would consider "got" a model. Dave ________________________________ From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Patricia Lafayllve Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 8:58 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: he was run over/he got run over Scott- I can see the "logic" of calling it a passive with "got" as the modal, but I'd probably let the student know that the construction was "informal" and make sure they know how to construct a passive using "formal" methods (ie "was run over"). Does that make sense? I am posting while jet-lagged, here... -patty ________________________________ From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Scott Woods Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:33 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: he was run over/he got run over List, My previous message on this topic delivered itself before I had finished it. Here is the complete message. Recently, a student wrote "he got run over." This seems to be a common way of expressing the passive. Would you characterize this as a passive? Would you analyze "run" as the verb of the sentence and "got" as a modal operating like "was" in a normally constructed (was run over) passive? Scott Woods To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/