John, 

I think another point about phrasal verbs in their separable and inseparable forms has to do with the reason the preposition is called a particle.  There are a few adverbs, like “back”, that do not have a prepositional use, but are found in separable phrasal verbs.  Also, many of the prepositions seem to have a very distinctive meaning when used as part of a phrasal verb.  To “give up” is certainly a different meaning (aspectual) than to “walk up the street” (locative).  The reason they are called particles, I think, is to help us keep this distinction in mind. 

Bruce

 

 

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John,

 

I’m glad you found Lester’s book useful.  I’ve used it as a reference often, but, with some regret, I’ve never used it as a text, maybe because by the time that edition came out I’d stopped using textbooks in my grammar classes and started using The Oxford English Grammar with lots of handouts.

 

I will add just one comment to your excellent summary.  I learned the object pronoun wrinkle a long time ago as you have described it in your last bullet.  It was sometime later that I realized that that word order is an artifact of discourse pragmatics.  If the DO is a pronoun, it’s generally old information and therefore unstressed and reduced.  The result is that it can’t carry the tonic accent of the sentence, and so the particle, which you note is generally stressed is placed finally to bear that accent.  It’s a nice instance of discourse function influencing sentence-level syntax.

 

Herb

 

From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Dews-Alexander
Sent: 2009-03-23 20:00
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Subject: Phrasal Verb Overview

 

Greetings, ATEGers!

 

Someone (I believe it was Herb) recently suggested a book to me: Mark Lester's (1990) Grammar in the Classroom. I'm not sure why I haven't discovered this book before, but I quite like it and would suggest it to anyone reviewing grammar texts. Even if you can't use it in your classroom, you and/or your  students might enjoy knowing about it as a reference text. I find Lester's writing to be straightforward and uncluttered. Has anyone actually used this as a classroom text for teachers-in-training? If so, I'd be interested to hear about your experiences.

 

I went to the text specifically to find some more information on phrasal verbs, information that wasn't overly technical for non-linguistic students but also not overly simplified so as to ignore descriptive facts. I thought I'd share here a few of the main points about phrasal verbs that Lester includes.

 

          John turned out the light. (Noun subject+phrasal verb+noun phrase object)

          John turned at the light. (Noun subject+verb+adverbial prepositional phrase)

  

          Say the sentences out loud and notice the stress. In phrasal verbs the preposition is stressed while it is not in the PP.

Hope all the grammar nerds enjoy this as much as I did!

 

Regards,

 

John Alexander

Austin, Texas

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