"a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089" is an appositive set off by commas and non-rstrictive by definition. James Bunley says "the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't gained funding." is a noun clause serving as the object of "said" The missing 'that' is understood. Note the converse: [That] "the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't gained funding." is what James Bunly said. [that] the new system hasn't gained funding is a restrictive adjective clause identifying "one of the reasons." Scott Catledge Professor Emeritus -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ATEG automatic digest system Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:01 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: ATEG Digest - 21 Apr 2009 to 23 Apr 2009 (#2009-94) There are 9 messages totalling 1347 lines in this issue. 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Is this correct? =20 Thanks very much, Natalie ____________________ Natalie Gerber, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of English SUNY Fredonia ph. 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i.e., a restrictive relative = clause modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element = modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks very much,<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Natalie<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>_____________= _______<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Natalie Gerber, Ph.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Assistant Professor<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Department of English</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>SUNY Fredonia</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ph. (716) 673-3855<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>fax (716) 673-4661</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span = style=3D'color:blue'>[log in to unmask]</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>= <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </body> </html> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" <p> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9C43E.3A8C1C17-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:15:06 -0400 From: Beth Young <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: question on a relative clause That's pretty much what I would say, except that I'd call the whole thing = [a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987-89] an = appositive and say that the appositive had a restrictive relative clause = embedded in it.=20 i.e., this particular appositive =3D determiner + noun + NOUN HEADWORD + = relative clause. =20 Maybe that's what you were saying, Beth Dr. Beth Rapp Young http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~byoung University of Central Florida Reach for the Stars >>> Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> 4/23/2009 2:06 PM >>> Dear all, =20 May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following example? =20 James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't gained funding. =20 I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct? =20 Thanks very much, Natalie ____________________ Natalie Gerber, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of English SUNY Fredonia ph. (716) 673-3855 fax (716) 673-4661 [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>=20 =20 To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface = at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html=20 and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:19:37 -0400 From: Dick Veit <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: question on a relative clause --001636416c7d414fbc04683cec23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct. Both relative clauses are restrictive, and the appositive is nonrestrictive. Dick Veit On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask] u > wrote: > Dear all, > > > > May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following > example? > > > > James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation > secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the complexity of > Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn=92t gained funding. > > > > I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which > Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an > appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the proper > noun James Bunley. Is this correct? > > > > Thanks very much, > > Natalie > > ____________________ > > Natalie Gerber, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor > > Department of English > > SUNY Fredonia > > ph. (716) 673-3855 > > fax (716) 673-4661 > > [log in to unmask] > > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select > "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --001636416c7d414fbc04683cec23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct. Both relative clauses are restrictive, and the appositive is nonre= strictive.<br><br>Dick Veit<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 2= 3, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Natalie Gerber <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:= [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wro= te:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, = 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"> <div> <p>Dear all,</p> <p>=A0</p> <p>May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following example?</p> <p>=A0</p> <p>James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn=92t gained funding.</p> <p>=A0</p> <p>I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying= the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?</p> <p>=A0</p> <p>Thanks very much,</p> <p>Natalie</p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">____________________</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Natalie Gerber, Ph.D.</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Assistant Professor</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Department of English</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">SUNY Fredonia</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">ph. (716) 673-3855</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">fax (716) 673-4661</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color: blue;">[log in to unmask]</span></= a></span></p> <p>=A0</p> </div> </div> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interf= ace at: <a href=3D"http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html" target=3D"_b= lank">http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html</a> and select "Join or leave the list" <p> Visit ATEG's web site at <a href=3D"http://ateg.org/" target=3D"_blank"= >http://ateg.org/</a> </p></blockquote></div><br> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" <p> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --001636416c7d414fbc04683cec23-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:29:42 -0400 From: Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: question on a relative clause Beth and Dick, Thanks very much. That is what I meant to say. The entire noun phrase, including the restrictive relative clause, is an appositive. I wanted to double check because this example just about sent my college-level grammar class reeling today. If anyone has helpful cues or resources for simplifying relative clauses and their appearance within appositives for students (I've been using Longman, Graeme Kennedy, and OWL, along with examples from newspapers such as this one), please let me know. Natalie -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Beth Young Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:15 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: question on a relative clause That's pretty much what I would say, except that I'd call the whole thing [a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987-89] an appositive and say that the appositive had a restrictive relative clause embedded in it.=20 i.e., this particular appositive =3D determiner + noun + NOUN HEADWORD + relative clause. =20 Maybe that's what you were saying, Beth Dr. Beth Rapp Young http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~byoung University of Central Florida Reach for the Stars >>> Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> 4/23/2009 2:06 PM >>> Dear all, =20 May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following example? =20 James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't gained funding. =20 I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct? =20 Thanks very much, Natalie ____________________ Natalie Gerber, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of English SUNY Fredonia ph. (716) 673-3855 fax (716) 673-4661 [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>=20 =20 To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html=20 and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:21 -0400 From: Dick Veit <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Sequencing information in sentences --001636b2ae6b300db604683d7359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On occasion we have discussed a speaker's grammatical options for shaping sentences (by choosing active or passive voice, using extraposition, etc.) so as to get useful information to listeners in an appropriate sequence. A letter to the editor in my local paper today demonstrates how a writer can make some really bad decisions. Here is his opening sentence: I was dismayed to see President Obama's plans to simultaneously rebuild America's struggling economy and find solutions to global warming-- through the introduction of clean, renewable energy and a cap-and-trade system--come under attack recently. Talk about waiting until the very end of a long sentence to insert crucial information that completely alters its meaning! Seems like an instructive example to use in a writing class. Dick Veit To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --001636b2ae6b300db604683d7359 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On occasion we have discussed a speaker's grammatical options for shapi= ng sentences (by choosing active or passive voice, using extraposition, etc= .) so as to get useful information to listeners in an appropriate sequence.= A letter to the editor in my local paper today demonstrates how a writer c= an make some really bad decisions. Here is his opening sentence:<br> <br><div style=3D"margin-left: 40px;">I was dismayed to see President Obama= 's plans <br>to simultaneously rebuild America's struggling <br>economy and find solutions to global warming-- <br>through the introduction of clean, renewable energy<br>and a cap-and-tr= ade system--come under attack <br>recently.<br><br></div>Talk about waiting unt= il the very end of a long sentence to insert crucial information that compl= etely alters its meaning! Seems like an instructive example to use in a wri= ting class.<br> <br>Dick Veit<br> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" <p> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --001636b2ae6b300db604683d7359-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:18:09 -0400 From: Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Sequencing information in sentences This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9C448.3CE3E70F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a delightful example. Thanks for forwarding it. =20 Natalie =20 From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dick Veit Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Sequencing information in sentences =20 On occasion we have discussed a speaker's grammatical options for shaping sentences (by choosing active or passive voice, using extraposition, etc.) so as to get useful information to listeners in an appropriate sequence. A letter to the editor in my local paper today demonstrates how a writer can make some really bad decisions. Here is his opening sentence: I was dismayed to see President Obama's plans=20 to simultaneously rebuild America's struggling=20 economy and find solutions to global warming--=20 through the introduction of clean, renewable energy and a cap-and-trade system--come under attack=20 recently. Talk about waiting until the very end of a long sentence to insert crucial information that completely alters its meaning! Seems like an instructive example to use in a writing class. 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color:#1F497D'>This is a delightful example. Thanks for forwarding = it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Natalie<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt = 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>= </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Assembly = for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b>On = Behalf Of </b>Dick Veit<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Sequencing information in = sentences<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On occasion we have = discussed a speaker's grammatical options for shaping sentences (by choosing active = or passive voice, using extraposition, etc.) so as to get useful = information to listeners in an appropriate sequence. A letter to the editor in my local = paper today demonstrates how a writer can make some really bad decisions. Here = is his opening sentence:<o:p></o:p></p> <div style=3D'margin-left:30.0pt'> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I was dismayed to = see President Obama's plans <br> to simultaneously rebuild America's struggling <br> economy and find solutions to global warming-- <br> through the introduction of clean, renewable energy<br> and a cap-and-trade system--come under attack <br> recently.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Talk about waiting until the very end of a long = sentence to insert crucial information that completely alters its meaning! Seems = like an instructive example to use in a writing class.<br> <br> Dick Veit<br> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web = interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or = leave the list" <o:p></o:p></p> <p>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </body> </html> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" <p> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9C448.3CE3E70F-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:55:57 -0500 From: John Dews-Alexander <[log in to unmask]> Subject: New Texts --001e680f13e8c14d6e04683e4454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone reviews the following textbooks, ATEG would surely benefit from a review! I know I'd love to hear more about them and, particularly, how they might fit into grammar instruction for pre-service teachers. *Exploring English Grammar*: *From Formal to Functional* by Caroline Coffin, Jim Donahue, and Sarah North (Routledge, 2009) *Doing English* (3rd Ed.) by Robert Eaglestone (Routldge, 2009) I'm going to get my hands on these texts eventually, and when I do, I'll add my two cents to any discussions here. Thanks! John To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --001e680f13e8c14d6e04683e4454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone reviews the following textbooks, ATEG would surely benefit from a= review! I know I'd love to hear more about them and, particularly, how= they might fit into grammar instruction for pre-service teachers. <br><br> <i>Exploring English Grammar</i>: <i>From Formal to Functional</i> by Carol= ine Coffin, Jim Donahue, and Sarah North (Routledge, 2009)<br><br><i>Doing = English</i> (3rd Ed.) by Robert Eaglestone (Routldge, 2009)<br><br>I'm = going to get my hands on these texts eventually, and when I do, I'll ad= d my two cents to any discussions here.<br> <br>Thanks!<br><br>John<br> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" <p> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --001e680f13e8c14d6e04683e4454-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:58:58 -0400 From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: question on a relative clause Natalie, One strategy I've used with *some* good results involves having students simplify what they're looking at so that they don't have to think about as much material at once. For example, if they've spotted a restrictive relative, they use some kind of small placeholder symbol and just substitute it in, attaching it to the noun it modifies. I'll use "#": James Bunley, a Washington attorney#, says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons#. Similarly, for noun clauses, they can try switching in a placeholder and expanding it on a separate line (I ask them to go through and do the "something test" first; the Xes and Ys just stand for different somethings): Bjorn said that Brunnhild was asking where her alpenhorn was. --> Bjorn said X X =3D Brunnhild was asking Y Y =3D where her alpenhorn was. Sincerely, Bill Spruiell -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Natalie Gerber Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:30 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: question on a relative clause Beth and Dick, Thanks very much. That is what I meant to say. The entire noun phrase, including the restrictive relative clause, is an appositive. I wanted to double check because this example just about sent my college-level grammar class reeling today. If anyone has helpful cues or resources for simplifying relative clauses and their appearance within appositives for students (I've been using Longman, Graeme Kennedy, and OWL, along with examples from newspapers such as this one), please let me know. Natalie -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Beth Young Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:15 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: question on a relative clause That's pretty much what I would say, except that I'd call the whole thing [a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987-89] an appositive and say that the appositive had a restrictive relative clause embedded in it.=20 i.e., this particular appositive =3D determiner + noun + NOUN HEADWORD + relative clause. =20 Maybe that's what you were saying, Beth Dr. Beth Rapp Young http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~byoung University of Central Florida Reach for the Stars >>> Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> 4/23/2009 2:06 PM >>> Dear all, =20 May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following example? =20 James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't gained funding. =20 I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct? =20 Thanks very much, Natalie ____________________ Natalie Gerber, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of English SUNY Fredonia ph. 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A noun phrase is a form; appositive is one of its many functions. If you're using the -al labels in your class, your students should recognize that subjects, various complements, the object of prepositions, as well as appositives, are all nominal functions. All those functions can be carried out by a variety of forms: noun phrases (the most common), verb phrases, and clauses. Your example is complicated by the fact that the appositive noun phrase has a relative clause as a postheadword modifier. But a relative clause (and other pre- and postnoun modifiers) can be part of any noun phrase, no matter what its function in the sentence. I spend a lot of time on the description of noun phrases, given their potential for adding information--and their systematic way of doing so. And of course there are many forms that function as adjectivals--including adjectives, nouns, prepositional phrases, verb phrases, and clauses. It might be useful for your class to use that appositive noun phrase with its postnoun modifier in some of the other noun phrase slots in the sentence in order to reinforce the idea that it's a common NP structure--although perhaps somewhat uncommon (given its relative clause) when it's functioning as an appositive. Martha >Dear all, > >May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following example? > >James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last >Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, >says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system >hasn't gained funding. > >I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying >which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause >modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element >modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct? > >Thanks very much, >Natalie >____________________ >Natalie Gerber, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor >Department of English >SUNY Fredonia >ph. (716) 673-3855 >fax (716) 673-4661 ><mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask] > >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and >select "Join or leave the list" >Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --============_-971597895==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>Re: question on a relative clause</title></head><body> <div>Natalie,</div> <div><br></div> <div>It's very useful to think in terms of form and function. A noun phrase is a form; appositive is one of its many functions.</div> <div><br></div> <div>If you're using the -al labels in your class, your students should recognize that subjects, various complements, the object of prepositions, as well as appositives, are all nominal functions. All those functions can be carried out by a variety of forms: noun phrases (the most common), verb phrases, and clauses.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Your example is complicated by the fact that the appositive noun phrase has a relative clause as a postheadword modifier. But a relative clause (and other pre- and postnoun modifiers) can be part of any noun phrase, no matter what its function in the sentence. I spend a lot of time on the description of noun phrases, given their potential for adding information--and their systematic way of doing so. And of course there are many forms that function as adjectivals--including adjectives, nouns, prepositional phrases, verb phrases, and clauses.</div> <div><br></div> <div>It might be useful for your class to use that appositive noun phrase with its postnoun modifier in some of the other noun phrase slots in the sentence in order to reinforce the idea that it's a common NP structure--although perhaps somewhat uncommon (given its relative clause) when it's functioning as an appositive.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Martha</div> <div><br></div> <div><font face="Palatino" color="#000000"><x-tab> </x-tab></font></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Dear all,</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following example?</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't gained funding.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Thanks very much,</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Natalie</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>____________________</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Natalie Gerber, Ph.D.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Assistant Professor</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Department of English</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>SUNY Fredonia</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>ph. (716) 673-3855</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>fax (716) 673-4661</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list"</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/</blockquote> <div><br></div> </body> </html> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" <p> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --============_-971597895==_ma============-- ------------------------------ End of ATEG Digest - 21 Apr 2009 to 23 Apr 2009 (#2009-94) ********************************************************** E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12240 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12240 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/