Brad, you know full well what those mean. "He walked five miles" means that at some time in the past he walked five miles. "He had walked five miles" means that before some specific time in the past he had walked five miles.What is your problem? Yesterday he walked five miles. By 4 o'clock yesterday he had walked five miles. Gerald To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/