Herb wrote: 
  
Your statement that people mistakenly use “had” before past tense verbs, that they change past tense irregular verbs to past participles after “had,” are not empirically testable statements.
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You lump together two quite different things. The first, that people put 'had' in front of past tense verbs, is empirically testable. The second, trying to put 'had' in front of an irregular past tense verb and forcing the irregular past participle, is not, as you point out, testable, because we cannot divine intent. But my explanation for the observable phenomenon is the best I have been able to find, without the further help I have solicited repeatedly. 
  
People DO put 'had' in front of past tense verbs. This is easily demonstrable. How they get to a similar result with irregular past tense verbs SEEMS to be that they first try to do what they think appropriate, put 'had' in front of the verb. When that doesn't work -- almost anyone rejects 'had ate' -- they go to 'had eaten' and that sounds right, so they use it.
 
How else does this happen? I <had eaten> ate all the tofu before you returned. (Complete Idiot's Guide to Grammar and Style)
 
I am accumulating a file of examples of  'forcing the irregular past participle', if anyone is interested. All of the examples are from newspapers, novels, and even grammar texts. They are not made up. Let me know if you're interested. Maybe someone can help me understand why it happens if my tentative theory proves to be inadequate.
 
.brhad.26feb10.
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There is no way to know or test the writer’s intentions.  Your statement that those weak verbs after what you claim are incorrect “had” are functionally past tense depends of a meaning for “functionally” that is unlike the way any grammarian or linguist uses the term.  It is a subjective judgment of yours that apparently no one else is able to replicate consistently. 
  
Herb 


--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 
=> I do not now assault the past perfect, nor have I ever assaulted the past perfect in the past, not do I expect to assault the past perfect in the future.
 
I have assaulted, and do assault, and will in the future assault ...
 
1.) putting 'had' in front of past tense verbs.
 
2.) trying to put 'had' in front of an irregular past tense verb and forcing the irregular past participle.
 
3.) using 'had been' where 'was' and 'were' belong.
 
.brhad.26feb10.


      

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