Paul,

 

Easy for you to say.  Your name’s on the Capsicum Innateness Hypothesis.

 

Herb

 

From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul E. Doniger
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:42 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: how heavy a lift is grammar

 

My new campaign slogan:
"Hot peppers, Yes; Invective, No!"

 

Paul
 

"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction" (_Twelfth Night_ 3.4.127-128).

 

 


From: "Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 2:41:32 PM
Subject: Re: how heavy a lift is grammar

I would much rather discuss the innateness of liking hot peppers.

 

Herb

 

From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eduard Hanganu
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:42 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: how heavy a lift is grammar

 

 

Richard,

 

I cannot say that I have not been warned about your warm and kind personality and about your forgiving nature. Here is a sample of such warnings:

 

_______________

 

See what I mean?

 

The bastard back-doored you.

 

He thinks it makes him look good but reasonable people will know better. 

 

You'll never get the last word on Veit. That's just what he does and what he will keep doing.

  

"Members should know what to expect if they reply to him", goes for him as well, in spades.

 

Let it go!

 

_________________


I will take the warnings very seriously, Mister Hyde.

 

Eduard

 

 


----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Veit <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:24
Subject: Re: how heavy a lift is grammar
To: [log in to unmask]

> Thanks, Craig, for your thoughtful response. It contrasts
> sharply with the
> message I received from Mr. Hanganu (below). It was off-list,
> but members
> should know what to expect if they reply to him.
>
> Dick
>
> Richard,
>
> I am not often redundant, but allow me the luxury this time: You
> are a piece
> of CRAP.
>
> Eduard
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Craig Hancock
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >  Dick,
> >    I agree very much that we have to locate
> abilities within the child that
> > account for the acquisition of language. The difference of
> opinion seems to
> > be whether these are peculiar to language or whether the child
> can acquire
> > language using normal (domain general) cognitive processes.
> Either way, it
> > is a remarkable task.
> >    Tomasello suggests "intention reading" and
> "pattern finding" as central.
> > Bybee mentions "chunking" quite often. We can't learn language
> without> accepting the existence of other minds. And what we
> might be picking up
> > might be something more than a formal system--form/meaning
> pairings, which
> > allow us to interact with each other and construe the world in
> uniquely> human ways. How do we account for the ability to
> construct texts, which some
> > of us learn to do well and others seem to do poorly? Is that a
> language> acquisition process as well? Why don't more five year
> olds win Pulitzer
> > Prizes? (I don't mean that at all sarcastically. I just want
> to posit the
> > possibility that a lot more than additional vocabulary and
> Standard English
> > correction is ahead of the child entering school.)
> >    I just question the assumption--I don't mean
> that all generativists
> > believe that--that literacy is just something that happens
> more or less
> > according to a biological program given a fairly routine language
> > environment.
> >
> > Craig
> >
>
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