Dick, The idea for this most recent conversation is to come up with a view of the past perfect that pleases the rest of us. Whether it pleases Brad is not important. It is insanity to expect a conversation with Brad to accomplish anything new, so our goal should be to discuss it with each other. I am looking forward to reading what Herb comes up with. I expect Brad to react angrily to that, but his response is irrelevant. I may be wrong, but I think reacting to Brad has kept us from a productive discussion. Craig On 2/16/2011 3:51 PM, Dick Veit wrote: > If we would all try just a little harder, explain the past perfect > just a little more clearly, try just one or two or fifty more times to > get you-know-who to engage in productive dialogue, surely then he will > see reason and all will be well and we can turn to other topics. We > won't know if we don't try many, many, many more times, will we? > > Cheers, > Dick > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Layton > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > :) > > Geoff Layton > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:45:46 -0500 > From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: insanity > To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > > Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting > different results. > > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select > "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/