A clause has a subject (expressed or understood) and a finite verb. Those clauses that express a complete thought may stand alone as a sentence; all others are dependent clauses. A phrase is a group of words that acts as a single part of speech regardless of its internal complexity. "His learning how to sing continuously in a basso profundo style is remarkable." Everything before "is" is a noun phrase even though the R-K diagramming is complex. I have never used or needed to use the terms "reduced clause," "small clause," or "non-finite cause" to teach my university or high school students English grammar. Even my professors in Advanced English Grammar, and Advanced English Grammar and Composition saw no need. I shun the profuse verbosity of modern English grammars as adding nothing to the understanding of the students. People use big words so the readers/listeners will be impressed and will not understand what the self-proclaimed expert is talking about. If the self-proclaimed expert used simple words that allowed the members of the audience to understand what is being said then they might well realize that the "expert" does not know what he is talking about. If this be treason (heresy), then make the most of it Scott Catledge -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ATEG automatic digest system Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:00 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: ATEG Digest - 30 May 2011 to 31 May 2011 (#2011-107) There is 1 message totalling 304 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Infinitives as clauses (was RE: Adjective or adverb?) ******************************* To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/