As the current administrator of the listserv, I second Craig's suggestion.
Please feel free to send me a message containing comments, questions, and/or
requests concerning this email list. Your privacy and anonymity will always
be respected. If the same subject matter is sent by multiple subscribers
I'll certainly share it with the entire list as an item of significance.
When appropriate, I'll consult with ATEG officers; however, this group has
traditionally functioned in a self-governing manner and I see no reason why
that can't continue.
You can always send a message to: [log in to unmask]
That email address will route to whoever the current list administrator is
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Grammar on!
John Alexander
Austin, Texas
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> **
> If I am not mistaken, it is possible to direct messages directly to the
> keeper of the list. If there are grammarians among us who would like to see
> the list (or a portion of the list) set aside for grammarians only (as Brad
> would define it), without commentary from linguists, then perhaps they
> should communicate that directly to the list manager. If there are a large
> number among us who feel that way, then the list manager could let that be
> known, and we could take the suggestion seriously. If not, then let's
> continue as we have in the past.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
> On 7/18/2011 12:39 PM, Carole Hurlbut wrote:
>
> I would appreciate discussions to be respectful and positive. I delete
> some emails and may need to use a filter or block. Thanks to members who
> make positive choices in their responses. I appreciate it.
>
> Carole
>
> *From:* Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 18, 2011 11:05 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: How to deal with a crackpot
>
> Note this, Geoffrey. See what I mean? There's nothing "crackpot" about
> "All Gaul is divided".
>
> Bully the chickens and they won't reply. They just won't. No one likes to
> be bullied as Dick Veit likes to [try to] bully me.
>
> (I changed email addresses because Internet Explorer is having problems
> that effect my old address. I now use Google Chrome and a new Yahoo
> address. Nothing evil or devious about it.)
>
> "exactly what he wants", b.t.w, is very clearly, and reasonably, stated in
> All Gaul is divided. Maybe, just maybe, the chickens don't want you in their
> hen house, Dick. If you ever ask them what they want, ask them if they want
> me in their hen house. If they (grammarians) don't, I will withdraw with
> considerably more good grace that you exhibit below.
>
> .brad.18july11.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dick Veit <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 18, 2011 11:28 AM
> *Subject:* How to deal with a crackpot
>
> Why am I again getting mail from our resident crackpot, when I put a filter
> on my email account to block his messages?
>
> Answers:
> 1. He changed his email address (so I will now block the new one too).
> 2. Non-crackpots keep responding to his mail. At long last, can't people
> realize that it is exactly what he wants? Just stop responding to him, no
> matter what crazy things he says to provoke you.
>
> ~~~~~
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 06:35:31 -0700
> From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: All Gaul is divided
>
> Regarding the possible division of the two main parts of ATEG, which I
> hope will be considered at the annual meeting, it seems to me that the goal
> of grammar is that we all might be on the same page, literally and
> figuratively, so that we might be better able to understand one another.
>
> Understanding one another doesn't depend on where words and conventions
> came from as much as what they mean. Linguists look at what people actually
> say and write, (and said and wrote), whereas grammarians try to agree on
> what makes sense to most of us most of the time. Linguists have different
> training, different interests, and different goals. They look at what
> divides us (descriptive grammar), while grammarians look for what joins us together
> (prescriptive grammar).
>
> When the linguists, who dominate the ATEG listserv, go off on one of their
> arcane tangents, the grammarians politely say to the linguists, "that's
> interesting", but it's rather like a corn farmer saying "that's interesting"
> to a cattle rancher who describes the particulars of raising Holsteins.
> What interests the linguists IS interesting, it just isn't what makes the
> grammar world go around.
>
> The demonstrable result is that the linguists tend to carry on their
> exotic discussions on this listserv and the grammarians tend to lurk in
> the shadows. I propose to you that there should be a way to better serve the
> grammarians, of whom there are thousands in this country, and who eachhave questions about the day-to-day of teaching grammar.
>
> The grammarians can go somewhere else, of course, and maybe they do, but
> since ATEG is the Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar, why is it
> not appropriate that ATEG concern itself with English Grammar and let the
> linguists go elsewhere and ponder, in a different venue, those things that
> interest them?
>
> br-had.sun.17july11.
> .
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