To me a participle is a verb form. In its present form it can be part of a progressive aspect in a verb or act as an adjective. Less commonly, it could act as a noun; however, any word can act as a noun. -------------------------------------------------- From: "ATEG automatic digest system" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:02 AM To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: ATEG Digest - 9 Nov 2011 to 10 Nov 2011 (#2011-196) > There is 1 message totalling 1027 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194) > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface > at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html > and select "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:05:36 +0000 > From: "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194) > > Scott, > > I stand corrected. "Exciting" was first a verb form, then a participle, > and= > then an adjective, correct? > > Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar > [mailto:[log in to unmask] > OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Catledge > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:33 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194) > > I would not say that "exciting was an adjective made out of a verb but a > present participle used as an adjective--a concept that I taught early on. > When I stated that any word could be used as a noun, I was challenged by a > student who said, "'The' can't be used as a noun." I then asked her to=20 > diagram > her statement. When she did, the class saw that "The" was a subject. > I=20 > then > asked if "The" was used as a pronoun: they replied almost in unison, > "No,=20 > it's > used as a noun. The young lady just shook her head and said, "'The' > can't= > =20 > be > no noun!" I stated that she was quite right that 'the' could not be a > noun= > ;=20 > it > could, however, be used as a noun--as we clearly saw from the diagram. I > never did convince her and, on the final exam, a similar response took her > exam grade from a C to a D=3D--lowering her final average from a C to a > C-. > She complained; however, we had few, if any, options at that time on > determining final grades. > > Scott Catledge > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ATEG automatic digest system" <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:03 AM > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194) > >> There are 5 messages totalling 620 lines in this issue. >> >> Topics of the day: >> >> 1. grammar question--verb v. participle (5) >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800 >> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> --1938299484-559104384-1320775173=3D:20532 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >> >> Dear List, >> >> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence? >> >> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.> >> >> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Scott Woods >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> --1938299484-559104384-1320775173=3D:20532 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii >> >> <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff;=20 >> font-family:times new roman, new york, times,=20 >> serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear List,</div><div><br></div><div>How would= > =20 >> you describe "exciting" in the following=20 >> sentence?</div><div><br></div><div><What had been exciting gave her a= > =20 >> feeling of dazed helplessness.></div><div><br></div><div>How would >> you= > =20 >> explain your reasoning to 7th=20 >> graders?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Sc= > ott=20 >> Woods<br></div></div></body></html> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> <p> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> --1938299484-559104384-1320775173=3D:20532-- >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:49:32 +0000 >> From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> Scott -- >> >> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if >> th= > e=20 >> =3D >> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term= > =20 >> ac=3D >> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which=20 >> support=3D >> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb= > =20 >> fa=3D >> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say >> "excitingly"= > =20 >> t=3D >> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about >> verb=20 >> for=3D >> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring >> it= > =20 >> u=3D >> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable >> onl= > y=20 >> =3D >> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20 >> confused"=3D >> (but then the "very" test bombs). >> >> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement >> insid= > e=20 >> =3D >> a wh-clause acting as subject=3D85 but I was guessing that seventh grade= > =20 >> prob=3D >> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding. >> >> --- Bill Spruiell >> >> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20 >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D >> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>> >> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800 >> To: ATEG English Grammar=20 >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask] >> HIO.EDU>> >> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> Dear List, >> >> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence? >> >> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.> >> >> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Scott Woods >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> =3D >> at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or=20 >> leave=3D >> the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:54:59 +0000 >> From: "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> Scott, >> >> I concur with Bill. >> >> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as "exciting" is. >> >> Marshall >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar=20 >> [mailto:[log in to unmask] >> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C >> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> Scott -- >> >> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if >> th= > e=20 >> =3D >> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term= > =20 >> ac=3D >> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which=20 >> support=3D >> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb= > =20 >> fa=3D >> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say >> "excitingly"= > =20 >> t=3D >> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about >> verb=20 >> for=3D >> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring >> it= > =20 >> u=3D >> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable >> onl= > y=20 >> =3D >> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20 >> confused"=3D >> (but then the "very" test bombs). >> >> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement >> insid= > e=20 >> =3D >> a wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20 >> prob=3D >> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding. >> >> --- Bill Spruiell >> >> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20 >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D >> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>> >> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800 >> To: ATEG English Grammar=20 >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask] >> HIO.EDU>> >> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> Dear List, >> >> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence? >> >> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.> >> >> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Scott Woods >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> =3D >> at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or=20 >> leave=3D >> the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> =3D >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:54:40 -0500 >> From: MARTHA KOLLN <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> --=3D-5Be6YINi0jrOI42vD6hO >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 >> >> Another adjective test besides "very": "more exciting. >> >> Martha >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 02:54 PM, "Myers, Marshall" >> <[log in to unmask]>= > =20 >> wrote: >>> >> Scott, >>> >>>I concur with Bill. >>> >>>"Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as >>>"exciting" is. >>> >>>Marshall >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar >>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM >>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle >>> >>>Scott -- >>> >>>I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if >>>th= > e >>>class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term >>>actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, >>>which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can >>>rul= > e=20 >>>out >>>adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say >>>"excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class >>>hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this >>>would= > =20 >>>be a >>>good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding=20 >>>something >>>interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now >>>jus= > t >>>made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs). >>> >>>If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement >>>insid= > e=20 >>>a >>>wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20 >>>probably >>>hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding. >>> >>>--- Bill Spruiell >>> >>>From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar >>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800 >>>To: ATEG English Grammar >>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle >>> >>>Dear List, >>> >>>How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence? >>> >>><What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.> >>> >>>How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Scott Woods >>>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >>>interfac= > e=20 >>>at: >>>http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave >>>the list" >>> >>>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >>> >>>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >>>interfac= > e=20 >>>at: >>> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >>>and select "Join or leave the list" >>> >>>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >>> >>>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >>>interfac= > e=20 >>>at: >>> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >>>and select "Join or leave the list" >>> >>>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> Martha Kolln >> >> >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> --=3D-5Be6YINi0jrOI42vD6hO >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8 >> >> <div>Another adjective test besides "very": "more >> exciting.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Martha<br><br>On >> Tue,=20 >> Nov 8, >> 2011 02:54 PM, <b>"Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]></b> >> wrote:<br><blockquote id=3D"quoted_response" style=3D"padding-left: 3px; >> padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 3px; margin-right: 0px; border-left: >> 1px= > =20 >> solid >> #000;"> >> <pre> >> Scott, >> >> I concur with Bill. >> >> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as >> "exciting" is. >> >> Marshall >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C >> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> Scott -- >> >> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if >> th= > e >> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term >> actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, >> which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can >> rul= > e=20 >> out >> adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say >> "excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class >> hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this >> would= > =20 >> be a >> good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding=20 >> something >> interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now >> jus= > t >> made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs). >> >> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement >> insid= > e=20 >> a >> wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20 >> probably >> hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding. >> >> --- Bill Spruiell >> >> From: Scott Woods=20 >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800 >> To: ATEG English Grammar >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle >> >> Dear List, >> >> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence? >> >> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.> >> >> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Scott Woods >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave >> the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> >> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> >> >> </pre></blockquote>Martha Kolln<br><br><br></div> >> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >> interfac= > e=20 >> at: >> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> and select "Join or leave the list" >> <p> >> Visit 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