Bill, I, like, understand. So it's similar to "you know," as in "I really, you know, enjoyed this book" Marshall -----Original Message----- From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:44 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Like/as It's, like, a hedging or distancing marker. The speaker isn't, like, totally asserting that the proposition is true, but rather that it, like, seems pretty darn truish. S/he isn't, like, imposing his/her reality onto yours; s/he's just sayin'. --- Bill Spruiell On 11/23/11 3:39 PM, "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Craig and Others, > >Thanks for the info. > >"Like" now is being used as a quotative: He's like (said) "Who are you?" >I think it replaced "go." > >I haven't figured out some of its other uses: "He's like mad at me." > >Any thoughts on that? > >Marshall >-----Original Message----- >From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C >Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:45 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Like/as > >Craig: > >Was S&W really allowing single nouns after 'like', but not any multiword >phrases? Or were they adopting the use of 'phrase' to refer only to PPs, >VPs, etc.? If the former, that would be bizarrely wrong, but S&W are >bizarrely wrong just often enough to make that reading plausible. > >--- Bill Spruiell > > > > >On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:00 AM, "Hancock, Craig G" ><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >Marshall, > I am old enough to have been schooled in the old rules and to >remember the controversy over the Winston ad. > I have an original edition elements of Style ( 1959) which lays it >out this way: "Like governs nouns and pronouns; before phrases and >clauses the equivalent word is as. " You would say "As in the old days" >rather than "like in the old days" and "as a cigarette should" rather >than "like a cigarette should." > S & W also describes the controversy and comes down on the side of >the old rule. In essence, they are saying being current or in current >usage doesn't mean it's right. "If every word or device that achieved >currency were immediately authenticated, simply on the grounds of >popularity, the language would be as chaotic as a ball game with no foul >lines." This rather strange (but telling) analogy is intact in my 1972 >edition. > >Craig > >From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Myers, Marshall >Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:04 PM >To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Like/as > >Does anybody still use "like" only as a verb (I like lemonade) or as a >preposition (She looks like him), but not as a conjunction (You look like >you could use a rest vs. You look as though you could use a rest)? > >"Winston tastes good like a cigarette should. It may be bad grammar, but >it's great taste," a cigarette slogan out of the late 50's . > >Marshall > > >From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of Dick Veit >Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:10 PM >To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Like/as > >Unlike Bruce, I have absolutely no problem with "like" as a preposition, >orally or in writing. > >Bruce, if you object to "like," do you also object to "unlike," as in my >opening sentence? > >Dick > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Nov 21, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Bruce Despain ><<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > wrote: >John, >You'll have to figure out the collective part, but I have my own opinion. > For me the sentences belongs in a written work and the preferred phrase >is introduced with "as with." The preposition "like" has taken on a >distinct colloquial flavor, especially in some young people's dialects, >where is usually serves as a sentence modifier. I would avoid it in >written work. >Bruce > >--- <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >From: John Chorazy ><<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:jo >[log in to unmask]>> >To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Like/as >Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:35:10 -0500 >Good afternoon to all. I'd appreciate your collective comments on the >following: > >"As with (or) Like some other great works, the enduring horror tale >Frankenstein was first published anonymously; its author, Mary Shelly, >wrote the novel when she was just nineteen years old." > >As or like here, and why? > >Thank you, > >John > > >-- >John Chorazy >English III Honors and Academic >Pequannock Township High School >973.616.6000 > >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >interface at: <http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html> >http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave >the list" >Visit ATEG's web site at <http://ateg.org/> http://ateg.org/ >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >interface at: <http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html> >http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave >the list" > >Visit ATEG's web site at <http://ateg.org/> http://ateg.org/ >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >interface at: <http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html> >http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave >the list" > >Visit ATEG's web site at <http://ateg.org/> http://ateg.org/ > >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >and select "Join or leave the list" > >Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > >To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >and select "Join or leave the list" > >Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/