Why not just "-ing form" then, since the varied uses are functionally defined.

Herb

Herbert F. W. Stahlke, Ph.D.
Emeritus Professor of English
Ball State University
Muncie, IN  47306
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Hancock, Craig G [[log in to unmask]]
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     For intensifiers, we also have "f...ing crazy" and the like. I was watching the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction last night, on a cable channel, and almost everyone was described as "f---ing" something.
    If we had "blazing hot sun" as a noun ohrase, then "blazing" could be an intensifier OR act separately as a modifer, which we could make clear by adding a comma (blazing, hot sun) or intoning accordingly. I could also imagine a filem director saying "We need a blazing sun for this next shot," in which case "blazing" would be narrowing the category down.
     When the -ing form acts like a noun in a noun phrase that it does not head, I think it tends to have a "kind of" meaning, as in "parking lot." We can also have "parking customer," which would be much more transitory. "He put on his smoking jacket." "He coughed from the smoke pouring from the smoking jacket." Both "smoking"'s are acting as modifiers in their noun phrases, but they offer a different kind of meaning built entirely out of the grammar. 
    If we were going to call the -ing form any one thing, I think "present participal" is the best. We can then say that it shows up in a number of different contexts and can act differently within those contexts and can act ambigiously because of that. I don't see any value in calling it a gerund in the above instances.
    I think we all miss the talk. I'm glad to be reminded about how thoughtful it can be. I hope my own rambling hasn't changed that.

Craig
     

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I hate to correct you, but the term is "smokin' hot!"
 

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:02:21 -0500
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I can think of some people who are smoking hot.

And speaking of degree modifiers, I wonder what the origin is of "brand" in "brand new." Are there other degree adverbs that modify only one particular adjective?

Nice to have this list back from hiatus.

Dick

On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear List,

In the sentence "The sun is usually blazing hot," how would you analyze "blazing"? 

Thanks,
Scott
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