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Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ========================================================================Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:52:48 -0600 Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> From: Geoffrey Layton <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Huh? Comments: To: Gerald Graff <[log in to unmask]>, Ralph Cintron <[log in to unmask]>, Tyrell Stewart <[log in to unmask]>, Cathy Birkenstein <[log in to unmask]>, Chris Girman <[log in to unmask]>, Chris Schroeder <[log in to unmask]>, Chris Messenger <[log in to unmask]>, Tim Barnett <[log in to unmask]>, Sandra Hunt <[log in to unmask]>, Marcia Buell <[log in to unmask]>, Allan Metcalf <[log in to unmask]>, Amy Benjamin <[log in to unmask]>, Ann Gere <[log in to unmask]>, Anne Curzan <[log in to unmask]>, Bob Yates <[log in to unmask]>, Dallin Oaks <[log in to unmask]>, David Bevington <[log in to unmask]>, Deborah Yetter <[log in to unmask]>, Deirdre McCloskey <[log in to unmask]>, Elissa Knight <[log in to unmask]>, Fr Thomas Fraser <[log in to unmask]>, Fred Gitles <[log in to unmask]>, Lennard Davis <[log in to unmask]>, Martha Kolln <[log in to unmask]>, Mary Matheny <[log in to unmask]>, Matthew Dallman <[log in to unmask]>, Peter Fries <[log in to unmask]>, Ronald Schleifer <[log in to unmask]>, Sam Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>, Sherrie McCollum <[log in to unmask]>, Sid Dobrin <[log in to unmask]>, Stanley Fish <[log in to unmask]>, Steve Olderr <[log in to unmask]>, "Thomas C. Ratchford" <[log in to unmask]>, Walter Benn Michaels <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bdc2a0d8-cfbf-4d86-89bb-2b0085ab23d7_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_bdc2a0d8-cfbf-4d86-89bb-2b0085ab23d7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just in case you haven't seen this - "Is 'Huh?' a universal word?" http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0078273 To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --_bdc2a0d8-cfbf-4d86-89bb-2b0085ab23d7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --_bdc2a0d8-cfbf-4d86-89bb-2b0085ab23d7_-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:16:58 -0600 Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> From: "Albert E. Krahn" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Punctuation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sometime last year someone put this up and asked if anyone had a comment. Did anyone? http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.htm akra To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ========================================================================Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:08:23 -0500 Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> From: William Hillaker <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Punctuation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=__Part3506E157.0__=" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=__Part3506E157.0__Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__Part3506E157.1__=" --=__Part3506E157.1__Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This leads to a 404 page. Grace and Peace, William R. D. Hillaker, M.Div, M.A The Southwestern Classical Academy An International Baccalaureate World School [log in to unmask] "* the things about which men are agreed are apt to be the things that are least worth holding; the really important things are the things about which men will fight." -J. Gresham Machen >>> "Albert E. Krahn" 11/19/13 12:21 AM >>> Sometime last year someone put this up and asked if anyone had a comment. Did anyone? http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.htm akra To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ *********************************************************************************************************************************************************** STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information regarding the Flint Community Schools or students of the Flint Community School system. This e-mail and any attached files are intended only for the use of the person/s or entity to which it is addressed and should be considered confidential. If this e-mail was sent to you in error, please immediately notify the sender via the e-mail address shown and delete this message from your mail system. *********************************************************************************************************************************************************** To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --=__Part3506E157.1__Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML This leads to a 404 page.

>>> "Albert E. Krahn" <[log in to unmask]> 11/19/13 12:21 AM >>>
Sometime last year someone put this up and asked if anyone had a comment.

Did anyone?

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.htm

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Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --=__Part3506E157.1__=-- --=__Part3506E157.0__=-- ========================================================================Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:50:20 -0500 Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> From: Don Stewart <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Punctuation In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary9e0160bd36d735cd04eb9ce82a --089e0160bd36d735cd04eb9ce82a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Try this: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html Compare to the address given: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.htm There's one "l" of a difference! Don Stewart soswriting.com On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM, William Hillaker < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > This leads to a 404 page. > > > Grace and Peace, > > William R. D. Hillaker, M.Div, M.A > The Southwestern Classical Academy > An International Baccalaureate World School > [log in to unmask] > > "? the things about which men are agreed are apt to be the things that are > least worth holding; the really important things are the things about which > men will fight." -J. Gresham Machen > > >>> "Albert E. Krahn" <[log in to unmask]> 11/19/13 12:21 AM >>> > Sometime last year someone put this up and asked if anyone had a comment. > > Did anyone? > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.htm > > akra > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface > at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html > and select "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > > *********************************************************************************************************************************************************** > STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail transmission may contain > confidential information regarding the Flint Community Schools or students > of the Flint Community School system. This e-mail and any attached files > are intended only for the use of the person/s or entity to which it is > addressed and should be considered confidential. If this e-mail was sent to > you in error, please immediately notify the sender via the e-mail address > shown and delete this message from your mail system. > *********************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select > "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --089e0160bd36d735cd04eb9ce82a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ --089e0160bd36d735cd04eb9ce82a-- ========================================================================Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:13:11 -0500 Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> From: Gregg Heacock <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Punctuation Comments: cc: Don Stewart <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don, Thanks for putting us on the right track. While, I, too, felt there was a certain kind of elegance to containing that, otherwise, dangling period inside quote marks, I have found that with modern content, this convention could cause confusion. When writing out how a user name should appear, I realized that putting the period inside my quote marks could make it seem as though the period should be included in the user name. Most of the British novels I read are written with such elegance that I am willing to accept the notion my fondness for our own conventions might be a bit parochial. I wonder what others think, Gregg ---- Don Stewart <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Try this: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html > > Compare to the address given: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.htm > > There's one "l" of a difference! > > Don Stewart > soswriting.com > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM, William Hillaker < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > This leads to a 404 page. > > > > > > Grace and Peace, > > > > William R. D. Hillaker, M.Div, M.A > > The Southwestern Classical Academy > > An International Baccalaureate World School > > [log in to unmask] > > > > "? the things about which men are agreed are apt to be the things that are > > least worth holding; the really important things are the things about which > > men will fight." -J. Gresham Machen > > > > >>> "Albert E. Krahn" <[log in to unmask]> 11/19/13 12:21 AM >>> > > Sometime last year someone put this up and asked if anyone had a comment. > > > > Did anyone? > > > > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.htm > > > > akra > > > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface > > at: > > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html > > and select "Join or leave the list" > > > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > > > > *********************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail transmission may contain > > confidential information regarding the Flint Community Schools or students > > of the Flint Community School system. 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If this e-mail was sent to > > you in error, please immediately notify the sender via the e-mail address > > shown and delete this message from your mail system. > > *********************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web > > interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select > > "Join or leave the list" > > > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ > > > > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html > and select "Join or leave the list" > > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ ========================================================================Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:21:09 +0000 Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Punctuation In-Reply-To: <20131120151311.DE9XD.8143.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Although I always teach the standard U.S. rule in classes, I also always mention the British pattern. I can't think of a strong reason why the British version shouldn't be allowed here; the only thing that springs to mind is that it leads to one extra punctuation mark if the quoted portion ends in an abbreviation with a period. I know people may find the post-quote period unaesthetic, but I figure that reaction is partly the result of it being marked. --- Bill Spruiell On 11/20/13 10:13 AM, "Gregg Heacock" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Don, > >Thanks for putting us on the right track. > >While, I, too, felt there was a certain kind of elegance to containing >that, otherwise, dangling period inside quote marks, I have found that >with modern content, this convention could cause confusion. When writing >out how a user name should appear, I realized that putting the period >inside my quote marks could make it seem as though the period should be >included in the user name. > >Most of the British novels I read are written with such elegance that I >am willing to accept the notion my fondness for our own conventions might >be a bit parochial. > >I wonder what others think, > >Gregg > > > > > >---- Don Stewart <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Try this: >> >> >>http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logi >>cal_punctuation.html >> >> Compare to the address given: >> >> >>http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logi >>cal_punctuation.htm >> >> There's one "l" of a difference! >> >> Don Stewart >> soswriting.com >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM, William Hillaker < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> > This leads to a 404 page. >> > >> > >> > Grace and Peace, >> > >> > William R. D. Hillaker, M.Div, M.A >> > The Southwestern Classical Academy >> > An International Baccalaureate World School >> > [log in to unmask] >> > >> > "? the things about which men are agreed are apt to be the things >>that are >> > least worth holding; the really important things are the things about >>which >> > men will fight." -J. Gresham Machen >> > >> > >>> "Albert E. Krahn" <[log in to unmask]> 11/19/13 12:21 AM >>> >> > Sometime last year someone put this up and asked if anyone had a >>comment. >> > >> > Did anyone? >> > >> > >> > >>http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logi >>cal_punctuation.htm >> > >> > akra >> > >> > To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web >>interface >> > at: >> > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html >> > and select "Join or leave the list" >> > >> > Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/ >> > >> > >>************************************************************************* >>************************************************************************* >>********* >> > STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail transmission may contain >> > confidential information regarding the Flint Community Schools or >>students >> > of the Flint Community School system. 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