Changing subjects, am I writing to the correct people about what I believe is an upcoming grammar conference in Indianapolis at the end of March? I’m interested in both attending it as well as providing some guidance about Indy as I live there.
If anyone knows anything about this and can provide some details, I’d appreciate it.
Linda Comerford
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From: Linda Di Desidero [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective
Just two more cents toward Herb's suggestion about stativity, as that clearly seems to be the key to this question:
We think of something being closed as an adjective that describes the current state or condition of the thing. We do not think of it as something that has happened or been done to the thing. Even when we talk of something as partially closed, we are referring to the state of the object, not to what has been done to the object. For that reason, viewing "X is closed" as passive seems odd. Better to view it as stative/descriptive.
On the other hand, if you add an agent, the passive view emerges:
The window is closed by me every Wednesday at 2 pm.
In this case, I am not referring to the state of the window so much as the action that is carried out on it.
Linda
Linda Di Desidero, PhD
Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
Marine Corps University
Gray Research Center, Room 122
Quantico, Virginia 22134
703-784-4401
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hancock, Craig G <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Herb,
I think we can say that something is "partly" or "partially" closed. (window, door, bridge.) My university sometimes "partially closes" and is therefore "partially closed" as a result. (They cancel classes but keep the offices open.) "I didn't see who actually fired the shot because the door was partially closed." We can use "very" before open in some contexts ("He had a very open personality"), but it seems awkward to me in others. ("The window was very open" *?) I think we would probably say "wide open."
You could explain it also as a question of "construal." Someone closed the port, but for a boat approaching from sea, that may be irrelevant. The child who wants to know if he has a snow day doesn't care who closed the school. And, of course, the TV station will give a list of "school closings," which construes the whole action as a "thing." We also have "the close of the show" as an option.
I vote for teaching about prototypes early and often. We do a terrible job with parts of speech in our schools. Students memorize definitions that are close to worthless in application. Certainly, we should teach that the boundaries are not rigid or fixed and that words shift category routinely. Students recognize prototypes for things like furniture or fruit. My experience has been that they enjoy looking at language that way, not least of all because it seems to fit.
Craig
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Hi Linda.
The conference that is in Indianapolis at the end of March is that of the
College English Association (26-28 March at the Hyatt Regency)
There will be four panels in Grammar/Linguistics at the conference; several
of these speakers are members of ATEG. (This is a new interest group at CEA)
You can preview the program at this link http://www.cea-web.org/
Let me know when you can be there and we'll set up a grammar group for
dinner (maybe Thursday eve?)
Look forward to meeting you!
Linda Di Desidero
Linda Di Desidero, PhD
Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
Marine Corps University
Gray Research Center, Room 122
Quantico, Virginia 22134
703-784-4401
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Linda Comerford <
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> Changing subjects, am I writing to the correct people about what I believe
> is an upcoming grammar conference in Indianapolis at the end of March? I’m
> interested in both attending it as well as providing some guidance about
> Indy as I live there.
>
>
>
> If anyone knows anything about this and can provide some details, I’d
> appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Linda Comerford
> Cell: 317.696.4444
>
> Office and Fax: 317.786.6404
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> www.comerfordconsulting.com <http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/>
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>
>
> From: Linda Di Desidero [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:32 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective
>
>
>
> Just two more cents toward Herb's suggestion about stativity, as that
> clearly seems to be the key to this question:
>
>
>
> We think of something being closed as an adjective that describes the
> current state or condition of the thing. We do not think of it as something
> that has happened or been done to the thing. Even when we talk of something
> as partially closed, we are referring to the state of the object, not to
> what has been done to the object. For that reason, viewing "X is closed" as
> passive seems odd. Better to view it as stative/descriptive.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, if you add an agent, the passive view emerges:
>
>
>
> The window is closed by me every Wednesday at 2 pm.
>
>
>
> In this case, I am not referring to the state of the window so much as the
> action that is carried out on it.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Linda Di Desidero, PhD
>
> Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
>
> Marine Corps University
>
> Gray Research Center, Room 122
>
> Quantico, Virginia 22134
>
> 703-784-4401
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hancock, Craig G <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> I think we can say that something is "partly" or "partially" closed.
> (window, door, bridge.) My university sometimes "partially closes" and is
> therefore "partially closed" as a result. (They cancel classes but keep the
> offices open.) "I didn't see who actually fired the shot because the door
> was partially closed." We can use "very" before open in some contexts ("He
> had a very open personality"), but it seems awkward to me in others. ("The
> window was very open" *?) I think we would probably say "wide open."
>
> You could explain it also as a question of "construal." Someone closed
> the port, but for a boat approaching from sea, that may be irrelevant. The
> child who wants to know if he has a snow day doesn't care who closed the
> school. And, of course, the TV station will give a list of "school
> closings," which construes the whole action as a "thing." We also have "the
> close of the show" as an option.
>
> I vote for teaching about prototypes early and often. We do a terrible
> job with parts of speech in our schools. Students memorize definitions that
> are close to worthless in application. Certainly, we should teach that the
> boundaries are not rigid or fixed and that words shift category routinely.
> Students recognize prototypes for things like furniture or fruit. My
> experience has been that they enjoy looking at language that way, not least
> of all because it seems to fit.
>
>
>
>
>
> Craig
>
> _____
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Linda.<div><br></div><div>The conference that is in Indianapolis at the end of March is that of the College English Association (26-28 March at the Hyatt Regency)</div><div><br></div><div>There will be four panels in Grammar/Linguistics at the conference; several of these speakers are members of ATEG. (This is a new interest group at CEA)</div><div><br></div><div>You can preview the program at this link <a href="http://www.cea-web.org/">http://www.cea-web.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Let me know when you can be there and we'll set up a grammar group for dinner (maybe Thursday eve?)</div><div><br></div><div>Look forward to meeting you! </div><div><br></div><div>Linda Di Desidero</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Linda Di Desidero, PhD<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Marine Corps University<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Gray Research Center, Room 122<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Quantico, Virginia 22134<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a value="+17037844401" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">703-784-4401</a></p></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Linda Comerford <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Changing subjects, am I writing to the correct people about what I believe is an upcoming grammar conference in Indianapolis at the end of March? I’m interested in both attending it as well as providing some guidance about Indy as I live there.<br>
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If anyone knows anything about this and can provide some details, I’d appreciate it.<br>
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From: Linda Di Desidero [mailto:<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]<br>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:32 AM<br>
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Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective<br>
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Just two more cents toward Herb's suggestion about stativity, as that clearly seems to be the key to this question:<br>
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We think of something being closed as an adjective that describes the current state or condition of the thing. We do not think of it as something that has happened or been done to the thing. Even when we talk of something as partially closed, we are referring to the state of the object, not to what has been done to the object. For that reason, viewing "X is closed" as passive seems odd. Better to view it as stative/descriptive.<br>
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On the other hand, if you add an agent, the passive view emerges:<br>
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The window is closed by me every Wednesday at 2 pm.<br>
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In this case, I am not referring to the state of the window so much as the action that is carried out on it.<br>
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Linda<br>
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Linda Di Desidero, PhD<br>
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Marine Corps University<br>
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Gray Research Center, Room 122<br>
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hancock, Craig G <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
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Herb,<br>
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  I think we can say that something is "partly" or "partially" closed. (window, door, bridge.) My university sometimes "partially closes" and is therefore "partially closed" as a result. (They cancel classes but keep the offices open.) "I didn't see who actually fired the shot because the door was partially closed." We can use "very" before open in some contexts ("He had a very open personality"), but it seems awkward to me in others. ("The window was very open" *?) I think we would probably say "wide open."<br>
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  You could explain it also as a question of "construal." Someone closed the port, but for a boat approaching from sea, that may be irrelevant. The child who wants to know if he has a snow day doesn't care who closed the school. And, of course, the TV station will give a list of "school closings," which construes the whole action as a "thing." We also have "the close of the show" as an option.<br>
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  I vote for teaching about prototypes early and often. We do a terrible job with parts of speech in our schools. Students memorize definitions that are close to worthless in application. Certainly, we should teach that the boundaries are not rigid or fixed and that words shift category routinely. Students recognize prototypes for things like furniture or fruit. My experience has been that they enjoy looking at language that way, not least of all because it seems to fit.<br>
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Thanks for the helpful information from both of you who replied to my about an Indy conference.
One more question: I’m not a member of CTE. May I still register for the conference? The sessions/panels you described sound interesting, and I’d enjoy finally meeting some of you in person after years at ATEG-listserv-only interactions.
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Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective
Hi Linda.
The conference that is in Indianapolis at the end of March is that of the College English Association (26-28 March at the Hyatt Regency)
There will be four panels in Grammar/Linguistics at the conference; several of these speakers are members of ATEG. (This is a new interest group at CEA)
You can preview the program at this link http://www.cea-web.org/
Let me know when you can be there and we'll set up a grammar group for dinner (maybe Thursday eve?)
Look forward to meeting you!
Linda Di Desidero
Linda Di Desidero, PhD
Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
Marine Corps University
Gray Research Center, Room 122
Quantico, Virginia 22134
703-784-4401
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Linda Comerford <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Changing subjects, am I writing to the correct people about what I believe is an upcoming grammar conference in Indianapolis at the end of March? I’m interested in both attending it as well as providing some guidance about Indy as I live there.
If anyone knows anything about this and can provide some details, I’d appreciate it.
Linda Comerford
Cell: 317.696.4444
Office and Fax: 317.786.6404
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www.comerfordconsulting.com <http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/>
From: Linda Di Desidero [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective
Just two more cents toward Herb's suggestion about stativity, as that clearly seems to be the key to this question:
We think of something being closed as an adjective that describes the current state or condition of the thing. We do not think of it as something that has happened or been done to the thing. Even when we talk of something as partially closed, we are referring to the state of the object, not to what has been done to the object. For that reason, viewing "X is closed" as passive seems odd. Better to view it as stative/descriptive.
On the other hand, if you add an agent, the passive view emerges:
The window is closed by me every Wednesday at 2 pm.
In this case, I am not referring to the state of the window so much as the action that is carried out on it.
Linda
Linda Di Desidero, PhD
Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
Marine Corps University
Gray Research Center, Room 122
Quantico, Virginia 22134
703-784-4401
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hancock, Craig G <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Herb,
I think we can say that something is "partly" or "partially" closed. (window, door, bridge.) My university sometimes "partially closes" and is therefore "partially closed" as a result. (They cancel classes but keep the offices open.) "I didn't see who actually fired the shot because the door was partially closed." We can use "very" before open in some contexts ("He had a very open personality"), but it seems awkward to me in others. ("The window was very open" *?) I think we would probably say "wide open."
You could explain it also as a question of "construal." Someone closed the port, but for a boat approaching from sea, that may be irrelevant. The child who wants to know if he has a snow day doesn't care who closed the school. And, of course, the TV station will give a list of "school closings," which construes the whole action as a "thing." We also have "the close of the show" as an option.
I vote for teaching about prototypes early and often. We do a terrible job with parts of speech in our schools. Students memorize definitions that are close to worthless in application. Certainly, we should teach that the boundaries are not rigid or fixed and that words shift category routinely. Students recognize prototypes for things like furniture or fruit. My experience has been that they enjoy looking at language that way, not least of all because it seems to fit.
Craig
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the helpful information from both of you who replied to my about an Indy conference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>One more question: I’m not a member of CTE. May I still register for the conference? The sessions/panels you described sound interesting, and I’d enjoy finally meeting some of you in person after years at ATEG-listserv-only interactions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#993366'>Linda Comerford<br>Cell: 317.696.4444<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#993366'>Office and Fax: 317.786.6404<br><a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br><a href="http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/">www.comerfordconsulting.com</a></span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Linda Di Desidero [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 16, 2015 4:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Linda.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The conference that is in Indianapolis at the end of March is that of the College English Association (26-28 March at the Hyatt Regency)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There will be four panels in Grammar/Linguistics at the conference; several of these speakers are members of ATEG. (This is a new interest group at CEA)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You can preview the program at this link <a href="http://www.cea-web.org/">http://www.cea-web.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let me know when you can be there and we'll set up a grammar group for dinner (maybe Thursday eve?)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Look forward to meeting you! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Linda Di Desidero<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Linda Di Desidero, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Marine Corps University<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Gray Research Center, Room 122<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Quantico, Virginia 22134<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>703-784-4401<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Linda Comerford <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Changing subjects, am I writing to the correct people about what I believe is an upcoming grammar conference in Indianapolis at the end of March? I’m interested in both attending it as well as providing some guidance about Indy as I live there.<br><br><br><br>If anyone knows anything about this and can provide some details, I’d appreciate it.<br><br><br><br>Linda Comerford<br>Cell: <a href="tel:317.696.4444">317.696.4444</a><br><br>Office and Fax: <a href="tel:317.786.6404">317.786.6404</a><br><a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br><a href="http://www.comerfordconsulting.com" target="_blank">www.comerfordconsulting.com</a> <<a href="http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/" target="_blank">http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/</a>><br><br><br><br>From: Linda Di Desidero [mailto:<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]<br>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:32 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective<br><br><br><br>Just two more cents toward Herb's suggestion about stativity, as that clearly seems to be the key to this question:<br><br><br><br>We think of something being closed as an adjective that describes the current state or condition of the thing. We do not think of it as something that has happened or been done to the thing. Even when we talk of something as partially closed, we are referring to the state of the object, not to what has been done to the object. For that reason, viewing "X is closed" as passive seems odd. Better to view it as stative/descriptive.<br><br><br><br>On the other hand, if you add an agent, the passive view emerges:<br><br><br><br>The window is closed by me every Wednesday at 2 pm.<br><br><br><br>In this case, I am not referring to the state of the window so much as the action that is carried out on it.<br><br><br><br>Linda<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Linda Di Desidero, PhD<br><br>Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center<br><br>Marine Corps University<br><br>Gray Research Center, Room 122<br><br>Quantico, Virginia 22134<br><br><a href="tel:703-784-4401">703-784-4401</a><br><br><br><br>On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hancock, Craig G <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br><br>Herb,<br><br> I think we can say that something is "partly" or "partially" closed. (window, door, bridge.) My university sometimes "partially closes" and is therefore "partially closed" as a result. (They cancel classes but keep the offices open.) "I didn't see who actually fired the shot because the door was partially closed." We can use "very" before open in some contexts ("He had a very open personality"), but it seems awkward to me in others. ("The window was very open" *?) I think we would probably say "wide open."<br><br> You could explain it also as a question of "construal." Someone closed the port, but for a boat approaching from sea, that may be irrelevant. The child who wants to know if he has a snow day doesn't care who closed the school. And, of course, the TV station will give a list of "school closings," which construes the whole action as a "thing." We also have "the close of the show" as an option.<br><br> I vote for teaching about prototypes early and often. We do a terrible job with parts of speech in our schools. Students memorize definitions that are close to worthless in application. Certainly, we should teach that the boundaries are not rigid or fixed and that words shift category routinely. Students recognize prototypes for things like furniture or fruit. 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You can register at the website or you can register in person on the day of
the conference, Linda.
Keep in touch!
Linda
Linda Di Desidero, PhD
Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
Marine Corps University
Gray Research Center, Room 122
Quantico, Virginia 22134
703-784-4401
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Linda Comerford <
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> Thanks for the helpful information from both of you who replied to my
> about an Indy conference.
>
>
>
> One more question: I’m not a member of CTE. May I still register for the
> conference? The sessions/panels you described sound interesting, and I’d
> enjoy finally meeting some of you in person after years at
> ATEG-listserv-only interactions.
>
>
>
>
> *Linda ComerfordCell: 317.696.4444 <317.696.4444>*
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> *From:* Linda Di Desidero [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:48 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective
>
>
>
> Hi Linda.
>
>
>
> The conference that is in Indianapolis at the end of March is that of the
> College English Association (26-28 March at the Hyatt Regency)
>
>
>
> There will be four panels in Grammar/Linguistics at the conference;
> several of these speakers are members of ATEG. (This is a new interest
> group at CEA)
>
>
>
> You can preview the program at this link http://www.cea-web.org/
>
>
>
> Let me know when you can be there and we'll set up a grammar group for
> dinner (maybe Thursday eve?)
>
>
>
> Look forward to meeting you!
>
>
>
> Linda Di Desidero
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Linda Di Desidero, PhD
>
> Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
>
> Marine Corps University
>
> Gray Research Center, Room 122
>
> Quantico, Virginia 22134
>
> 703-784-4401
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Linda Comerford <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Changing subjects, am I writing to the correct people about what I believe
> is an upcoming grammar conference in Indianapolis at the end of March? I’m
> interested in both attending it as well as providing some guidance about
> Indy as I live there.
>
>
>
> If anyone knows anything about this and can provide some details, I’d
> appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Linda Comerford
> Cell: 317.696.4444
>
> Office and Fax: 317.786.6404
> [log in to unmask]
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>
>
> From: Linda Di Desidero [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:32 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective
>
>
>
> Just two more cents toward Herb's suggestion about stativity, as that
> clearly seems to be the key to this question:
>
>
>
> We think of something being closed as an adjective that describes the
> current state or condition of the thing. We do not think of it as something
> that has happened or been done to the thing. Even when we talk of something
> as partially closed, we are referring to the state of the object, not to
> what has been done to the object. For that reason, viewing "X is closed" as
> passive seems odd. Better to view it as stative/descriptive.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, if you add an agent, the passive view emerges:
>
>
>
> The window is closed by me every Wednesday at 2 pm.
>
>
>
> In this case, I am not referring to the state of the window so much as the
> action that is carried out on it.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Linda Di Desidero, PhD
>
> Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center
>
> Marine Corps University
>
> Gray Research Center, Room 122
>
> Quantico, Virginia 22134
>
> 703-784-4401
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hancock, Craig G <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> I think we can say that something is "partly" or "partially" closed.
> (window, door, bridge.) My university sometimes "partially closes" and is
> therefore "partially closed" as a result. (They cancel classes but keep the
> offices open.) "I didn't see who actually fired the shot because the door
> was partially closed." We can use "very" before open in some contexts ("He
> had a very open personality"), but it seems awkward to me in others. ("The
> window was very open" *?) I think we would probably say "wide open."
>
> You could explain it also as a question of "construal." Someone closed
> the port, but for a boat approaching from sea, that may be irrelevant. The
> child who wants to know if he has a snow day doesn't care who closed the
> school. And, of course, the TV station will give a list of "school
> closings," which construes the whole action as a "thing." We also have "the
> close of the show" as an option.
>
> I vote for teaching about prototypes early and often. We do a terrible
> job with parts of speech in our schools. Students memorize definitions that
> are close to worthless in application. Certainly, we should teach that the
> boundaries are not rigid or fixed and that words shift category routinely.
> Students recognize prototypes for things like furniture or fruit. My
> experience has been that they enjoy looking at language that way, not least
> of all because it seems to fit.
>
>
>
>
>
> Craig
>
> _____
>
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<div dir="ltr">You can register at the website or you can register in person on the day of the conference, Linda.<div>Keep in touch! </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Linda</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Linda Di Desidero, PhD<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Marine Corps University<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Gray Research Center, Room 122<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Quantico, Virginia 22134<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a value="+17037844401" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">703-784-4401</a></p></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Linda Comerford <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1f497d">Thanks for the helpful information from both of you who replied to my about an Indy conference.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1f497d">One more question: I’m not a member of CTE. May I still register for the conference? The sessions/panels you described sound interesting, and I’d enjoy finally meeting some of you in person after years at ATEG-listserv-only interactions.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#993366">Linda Comerford<br>Cell: <a href="tel:317.696.4444" value="+13176964444" target="_blank">317.696.4444</a><u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#993366">Office and Fax: <a href="tel:317.786.6404" value="+13177866404" target="_blank">317.786.6404</a><br><a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a><br><a href="http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/" target="_blank">www.comerfordconsulting.com</a></span></i></b><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue"><u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Linda Di Desidero [mailto:<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 16, 2015 4:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Linda.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The conference that is in Indianapolis at the end of March is that of the College English Association (26-28 March at the Hyatt Regency)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There will be four panels in Grammar/Linguistics at the conference; several of these speakers are members of ATEG. (This is a new interest group at CEA)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You can preview the program at this link <a href="http://www.cea-web.org/" target="_blank">http://www.cea-web.org/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Let me know when you can be there and we'll set up a grammar group for dinner (maybe Thursday eve?)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Look forward to meeting you! <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Linda Di Desidero<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Linda Di Desidero, PhD<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Marine Corps University<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Gray Research Center, Room 122<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Quantico, Virginia 22134<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><a href="tel:703-784-4401" value="+17037844401" target="_blank">703-784-4401</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Linda Comerford <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Changing subjects, am I writing to the correct people about what I believe is an upcoming grammar conference in Indianapolis at the end of March? I’m interested in both attending it as well as providing some guidance about Indy as I live there.<br><br><br><br>If anyone knows anything about this and can provide some details, I’d appreciate it.<br><br><br><br>Linda Comerford<br>Cell: <a href="tel:317.696.4444" target="_blank">317.696.4444</a><br><br>Office and Fax: <a href="tel:317.786.6404" target="_blank">317.786.6404</a><br><a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a><br><a href="http://www.comerfordconsulting.com" target="_blank">www.comerfordconsulting.com</a> <<a href="http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/" target="_blank">http://www.comerfordconsulting.com/</a>><br><br><br><br>From: Linda Di Desidero [mailto:<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>]<br>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:32 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a><br>Subject: Re: Passive Voice vs. Copular + Predicate Adjective<br><br><br><br>Just two more cents toward Herb's suggestion about stativity, as that clearly seems to be the key to this question:<br><br><br><br>We think of something being closed as an adjective that describes the current state or condition of the thing. We do not think of it as something that has happened or been done to the thing. Even when we talk of something as partially closed, we are referring to the state of the object, not to what has been done to the object. For that reason, viewing "X is closed" as passive seems odd. Better to view it as stative/descriptive.<br><br><br><br>On the other hand, if you add an agent, the passive view emerges:<br><br><br><br>The window is closed by me every Wednesday at 2 pm.<br><br><br><br>In this case, I am not referring to the state of the window so much as the action that is carried out on it.<br><br><br><br>Linda<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Linda Di Desidero, PhD<br><br>Director, Leadership Communication Skills Center<br><br>Marine Corps University<br><br>Gray Research Center, Room 122<br><br>Quantico, Virginia 22134<br><br><a href="tel:703-784-4401" target="_blank">703-784-4401</a><br><br><br><br>On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hancock, Craig G <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br><br>Herb,<br><br>  I think we can say that something is "partly" or "partially" closed. (window, door, bridge.) My university sometimes "partially closes" and is therefore "partially closed" as a result. (They cancel classes but keep the offices open.) "I didn't see who actually fired the shot because the door was partially closed." We can use "very" before open in some contexts ("He had a very open personality"), but it seems awkward to me in others. ("The window was very open" *?) I think we would probably say "wide open."<br><br>  You could explain it also as a question of "construal." Someone closed the port, but for a boat approaching from sea, that may be irrelevant. The child who wants to know if he has a snow day doesn't care who closed the school. And, of course, the TV station will give a list of "school closings," which construes the whole action as a "thing." We also have "the close of the show" as an option.<br><br>  I vote for teaching about prototypes early and often. We do a terrible job with parts of speech in our schools. Students memorize definitions that are close to worthless in application. Certainly, we should teach that the boundaries are not rigid or fixed and that words shift category routinely. Students recognize prototypes for things like furniture or fruit. My experience has been that they enjoy looking at language that way, not least of all because it seems to fit.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Craig<br><br> _____<br><br>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar<br>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at:<br>   <a href="http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html</a><br>and select "Join or leave the list"<br><br>Visit ATEG's web site at <a href="http://ateg.org/" target="_blank">http://ateg.org/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: <a href="http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html" target="_blank">http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html</a> and select "Join or leave the list" <u></u><u></u></p><p>Visit ATEG's web site at <a href="http://ateg.org/" target="_blank">http://ateg.org/</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
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